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anthonyadavisii 2 years ago

@memehub think this may interest you.

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14 votes

memehub 2 years ago

Dude, this we totally help with anti-AI-abuse measures :) Imma look into their github

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neavvy 2 years ago

Do you have problems with AI abuses on your website @memehub?

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memehub 2 years ago

Nah, I have a side project where I am working to build an AI to detect various types of abuse on steem and lighten the workload of antiabuse folks on steem.

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3 votes

neavvy 2 years ago (edited)

Interesting idea @memehub, such project may be really useful considering current amount of abuse and spam on Steem

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machnbirdsparo 2 years ago

Hi @neavvy,

I wrote some stuff for a few clients covering AI and its application to story telling. One of the most fascinating ventures I found was by Disney. They sought to develop a streamlined AI that can search the Internet and discern between text that satisfies the criteria for a story. Some of the criteria used were plot, main and supporting characters.

As far as your question, I would say that the AI would tend to identify the most technically proficient, but least creative of English writers as AI. My rational is that AI programing being based on Websters and Oxford dictionaries. Logistical applications to defined language would yield such a result.

An interesting topic indeed and one that could one day have us all communicating through an AI-constructed Internet tollbooth.

God bless,

Marco

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @machnbirdsparo. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

They sought to develop a streamlined AI that can search the Internet and discern between text that satisfies the criteria for a story.

Wow, I would never come up with such application of AI. I'm curious how efficient such solution was.

My rational is that AI programing being based on Websters and Oxford dictionaries. Logistical applications to defined language would yield such a result.

Indeed, that may be the case

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machnbirdsparo 2 years ago

At the time I investigated this for a client (year ago or so) there were issues, but the company was committed and did make some progress. I also saw it as a piece of the AI puzzle, not a foreseen stand alone venture.

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nurseanne84 2 years ago

interesting......... yeah. i think we need this in case some genius out there decides to create a business out of making essays, book reports or whatnots using AIs. I hope that this goes out in mainstream soon

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @nurseanne84! I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

i think we need this in case some genius out there decides to create a business out of making essays, book reports or whatnots using AIs.

Yeah, I'm curious if it will be a single genius or some company which would decide to get into this business.

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eturnerx 2 years ago (edited)

In terms of text generation, there was the recent situation with GPT2 where the researchers held back part of their model for fear it was too good.
Detection is always an arms race though. If someone deploys an AI to detect generated text, then it can become a target for adversarial attacks. In situations where there is immediate reward for getting generated text through and limited long term consequences for being caught then an adversarial attack on a detector AI only needs to be relevant for a short term. I've posted about this before in regard to Steem. I've also mentioned in regard to AI dApp projects ... if your detector AI is running where the public has cheap access to it, then it will easily be overwhelmed by an adversarial attack.
One potential solution is to put the detector AI behind a paid API - a penny or two per detection request might be sufficient to raise the cost of adversarial probing to the point most attackers won't bother. There are other countermeasures an API could take but they are not fool proof.
As an aside, adversarial attacks aren't anything particularly special in AI. One approach to creating generators is to have it compete against a detector (the adversary) in an approach called GAN Generative Adversarial Network.
An an amusing annecdote: some years back a colleague and I annoyed somebody at a trade fair by adversarially attacking their face detection/tracking system. We managed to fool it with two circles and a line hand drawn on piece paper. Systems are much better now, but will still have vulnerabilities.

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5 votes

inertia Science Fan 2 years ago

In the case of GPT2, or any general purpose language transformer, where the purpose is to just mimic human writing, I'm certain there are statistical solutions to find this type of text.

But if the text was created with (currently mythical) General AI, the text itself should be evaluated in terms of whether or not it is valuable. If it's valuable research, it doesn't matter if a person did the research or AI, again, assuming it was produced by a mind, not just a language transformer like these examples.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for you comment @inertia, that's really interesting attitude.

Well, I think that this "statistical" kind of AI also does its own research, which is not very far away from what we usually do - we are also some kind of neural network which usually creates its opinion basing on what others say or write. At the current level maybe it is closer to just transforming text of other people, but I think that as this concept evolves (not necessarily to the level of "mythical" General AI) it will be able to generate quality publication and present an unique opinion.

As long as you admit that particular text is machine-generated, I see nothing wrong in publishing and reading such text.

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inertia Science Fan 2 years ago

As long as you admit that particular text is machine-generated, I see nothing wrong in publishing and reading such text.

Yes. I think that's important. It's good to know the background of the author. If the author is reluctant to discuss their background, then they must be worried about their safety. For the time being, we can assume it's political pressure. But some day in the not too distant future, we will have to consider that an anonymous, unverified author might be on the wrong side of politics, is AI, or both.

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neavvy 2 years ago

But some day in the not too distant future, we will have to consider that an anonymous, unverified author might be on the wrong side of politics, is AI, or both.

That's right, unfortunately.

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

That's one of the reason's I'm publishing my autobiography online, daily, all over the place.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for sharing your opinion @eturnerx. I appreciate it a lot :)

One potential solution is to put the detector AI behind a paid API - a penny or two per detection request might be sufficient to raise the cost of adversarial probing to the point most attackers won't bother.

I totally agree with you, but I suppose GLTR is rather an experiment than a serious tool. As I mentioned, it only increases a chance to spot the fake text, and I believe that in about 6-12 months machine-generated texts will be so advanced that GLTR will become helpless. And unfortunately I see no space for further development and improvements of this tool.

An an amusing annecdote: some years back a colleague and I annoyed somebody at a trade fair by adversarially attacking their face detection/tracking system. We managed to fool it with two circles and a line hand drawn on piece paper. Systems are much better now, but will still have vulnerabilities.

That's really interesting. As far as I know, till the premiere of iPhone X face recognition systems were generally easy to trick with a photo. Ultimately Apple introduced their special sensor able to recognize face in 3 dimensions, thus becoming resistant to the images. However I think you can still convince it by using some precise mask.

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eturnerx 2 years ago

I believe that in about 6-12 months machine-generated texts will be so advanced that GLTR will become helpless. And unfortunately I see no space for further development and improvements of this tool.

I think it's an arms race. While GLTR might not be the best detector in future, something else will be.

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neavvy 2 years ago

While GLTR might not be the best detector in future, something else will be.

I agree, but the concept of this tool will have to be reworked.

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marvyinnovation 2 years ago

Hi @neavvy,

Thanks for the memo and sending me the link of this invaluable A..rt..I..cle. First things first. @NEAVVY, this article is too HEAVVY for me to comment, but this article aroused much more interest. After studying deeply the Basic Concept, i will surely give my comment bcoz my mind has developed that much interest in this topic albeit lately. Really sorry about that. Will catch u soon with a strong comment.

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neavvy 2 years ago

@NEAVVY, this article is too HEAVVY for me to comment, but this article aroused much more interest.

Haha :) No problem @marvyinnovation, I really appreciate your efforts!

Ps. Did you give up writing articles on Steem? I've noticed there hasn't been any new post on your account since two months.

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marvyinnovation 2 years ago (edited)

No @Neavvy, not like that. I wrote a lot in Steemit, but none noticed it except @crypto.piotr and @nathanmars7. These two gentlemen are too nice to support me when i needed it, but for others STUFF is a must. I don't have that sorts of STUFF to attract others while writing a content. that is my main drawback and i didn't get discouraged and stopped writing as a result of it. i will surely write if i encounter any interesting topic.

BYE FOR NOW, @neavvy.

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crypto.piotr 2 years ago

hi @marvyinnovation

I'm glad to be called gentelmen :) I'm also sending you some email. Please check it out.

Yours
Piotr

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neavvy 2 years ago

Oh, okay, I get it @marvyinnovation

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vimukthi 2 years ago

Extremely happy that this is finally here. Thank you very much for sending the memo. I immediately upvoted and resteemed. There is too much reverence and awe directed at AI which I think for a large part come from the fiction we have created (many which are more science fantasy than sci-fi)

Funny thing is that many of the Machine Generated texts sound a lot articles from Buzzfeed, Huffpost and other similar mass media that massively helped to usher the click baits and 21st century yellow journalism. You might find this interesting: https://forge.medium.com/the-urgent-case-for-boredom-8dd92a891754 The reason I link this is that I see it as a solution to many of the problems regarding the advent of AI. Just relax, let go and stop engaging with them. I'm a libertarian at heart and I greatly connect with the concept of Wu Wei: http://www.myrkothum.com/wu-wei

Just stick with what matters to you the most and live life based on principles. Don'care much about random stuff you see or hear online o in real life.
PS: Add the #stem tag to the post :-)

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devann 2 years ago

Thanks for the link on wu wei, @vimukthi. It reminds me of the zen saying, "Sitting quietly doing nothing, spring comes and the grass grows by itself."

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vimukthi 2 years ago

https://www.dailyzen.com has been a great source of such quotes for me. www.gardendigest.com/zen/quotes.htm had a valuable collection too.

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devann 2 years ago

Thanks for the links. Will check them out.

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neavvy 2 years ago

These sites are really great inspirational place @vimukthi, thanks for sharing!

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abh12345.stem I like Rockets 2 years ago (edited)

stemgeeks picks up posts tagged with science and technology, and a couple more :)

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neavvy 2 years ago

I didn't know this dApp, but they seems really cool @abh12345.stem :)

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @vimukthi! I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

Funny thing is that many of the Machine Generated texts sound a lot articles from Buzzfeed, Huffpost and other similar mass media that massively helped to usher the click baits and 21st century yellow journalism.

Someone in the comments under this post even said that most journalist agencies like Reuter's use AI to generate their texts.

The reason I link this is that I see it as a solution to many of the problems regarding the advent of AI. Just relax, let go and stop engaging with them.

Maybe that's indeed the greatest attitude.

PS: Add the #stem tag to the post :-)

Okay, I'm gonna add it in the future :)

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akdx 2 years ago

AI has progressed to such a extent that is would be impossible for us to compete with the AI. We won't be able to fight against it. Only AI would be able to counter fight AI. We have no choice but to develop AI in order to fight against it. Ultimately, we would become unnecessary for the survival of AI.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @akdx! I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

Only AI would be able to counter fight AI.

Indeed, that's already the case.

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

Exactly.

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fitinfun 2 years ago

I do not worry too much about machine generated text. I mostly work on steem and don't think there is too much of it here. The comments I get on my posts are from humans as far as I know.

I am in some fb groups for a few controversial subjects. It's pretty obvious when paid opposition shows up. I do not know if the words are machine generated, but based on how they read, the "real" people see through them quickly.

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metzli 2 years ago

I think my kids read lots of AI generated texts through websites like buzzfeed and such.

I was wondering how they could possibly come up with so much content, and so many quizzes and such, until I realized it was all probably done by AI.

I am happy about it as I think its better for them to be employing AI than to be having mindless journalists but its still scary cause my kids is sucking up all that information!

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neavvy 2 years ago

I was wondering how they could possibly come up with so much content, and so many quizzes and such, until I realized it was all probably done by AI.

Wow, that's a brave theory @metzli! Don't you think that they just hire an army of cheap journalists?

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metzli 2 years ago

It’s probably a combination.

The other day my kid was working on a “never ending Harry Potter quiz” there is no way a person wrote that (I hope).

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

Exactly.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @fitinfun! I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

I mostly work on steem and don't think there is too much of it here.

That's right, but we need to consider the fact that AI generated text is currently on a very basic level. Additionally, such programs are usually not open source (people do not have access to the code), so you would need to be really advanced at machine learning (probably on an academic level) to develop something like that on your own. But when this technology gets more adoption and programmers with basics skills will be able to use it, they may use it in a wrong way

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lanzjoseg 2 years ago

Dear @neavvy

After reading your publication and some comments.
To my mind only came the memory of the first Terminator film, if everyone remembers the end is the beginning of all the destruction of humanity because what remained after destroying Terminator was his arm and analogy of reality with what you say is that we humans write with our hands and machines with special equipment for that fact...

But that mechanical arm that contained everything that began is if you want a way of saying with the hand that writes man the machine with his cybernetic hand wrote the future.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @lanzjoseg I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

after destroying Terminator was his arm and analogy of reality with what you say is that we humans write with our hands and machines with special equipment for that fact...

Yeah, this analogy is really on point.

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leeart 2 years ago (edited)

First of, I am blown away by how far we've come whether to be used in a good or bad way. This is what technology has done and it is unimaginable what else we can do in the future. I don't know which is more amazing, the creator of these AI generated things or the counter creators. I think this works best for English language, no?

I think there is still limit to anything AI as much as potential.

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a-non-e-moose 2 years ago (edited)

"I think this works best for English language, no?"

Interesting point. I'd venture a guess that it's largely independent of the particular language. I'd think if you trained it with a made up language it would still work too. I'd bet it was tested mostly in English however, and that the juiciest cherries picked were made in English.

All wild speculation on my part though ;)

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leeart 2 years ago

I tried Filipino language and it tries to group letters that makes sense in English. It would probably take a longer time to be used for other languages.

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a-non-e-moose 2 years ago

Of course. I was thinking of the general case. Like I'm sure this one was made in English, but I thought the 'this' in "I think this works best for English language, no?" was the technique not this particular implementation.

All fascinating stuff. I think this leads up to AI that not only try to fool humans, but also other AI into thinking they're human.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @leeart. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

This is what technology has done and it is unimaginable what else we can do in the future. I don't know which is more amazing, the creator of these AI generated things or the counter creators.

Haha, I think they both had to put enormous efforts to achieve such effect.

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ragnarhewins90 2 years ago

I know whatever humans create in this case AI intelligence can be detected no matter what type of technology we create. We can always find out or detect who, what or how it was made. We just need to find out that's all.

I don't find anything that we need to worry about. We only need to worry about it for a while until someone can settle the problem.

To be honest not from me because I have little knowledge about AI Intelligence

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @ragnarhewins90 I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

I don't find anything that we need to worry about. We only need to worry about it for a while until someone can settle the problem.

Maybe such attitude is the best :)

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ragnarhewins90 2 years ago

From history, we prove that we can settle any problems. Don't worry about replying late I've been really busy with work myself. I miss a lot lately in steemit

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neavvy 2 years ago

Well, somehow that's true, but usually the solutions were occupied with death of millions of people.

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ragnarhewins90 2 years ago

That's true as well

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jbgarrison72 2 years ago

Interesting problem, the idea that AI might create content consumed by humans. But then, is it a problem? A particularly effective AI creates value... but, value is assigned by the consumer... so, if an AI can out compete human posters, then either humans need to get better or... they need to design better AI's to stand in their corners of the ring.

Whoever loses, the consumers still win, and that's what's important.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @jbgarrison72. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

but, value is assigned by the consumer... so, if an AI can out compete human posters, then either humans need to get better or... they need to design better AI's to stand in their corners of the ring.

Whoever loses, the consumers still win, and that's what's important.

Interesting approach, I agree with that. However, while you are a consumer of the content, you may be the producer of something else. AI may not only create text, but maybe one day it will replace you in your work. I think we can't divide humans into producers and consumers, because we are usually on the both sides of this ecosystem.

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jbgarrison72 2 years ago

Thanks for your response @neavvy. A human "job" serves only one purpose; that is to fulfill human needs (which are well summed up by Maslows hierarchy of needs).

If AI is "producing" products and services which other humans are "consuming" and there are still a group of humans that are not having their "needs" being met still, then (at least in a free market), humans will always be left to serve each other what and where the AI's fail to.

We actually suffer from this problem already, but instead of AI's rubbing out the competition, we have the world banking elite and their "system" doing that. If you choose not to "consume" what the globalist banksters, hucksters and social engineers are selling, you will be marginalized and "replaced." Much worse than AI could ever be since these folks are intentionally "evil" whereas the AI are simply programmed.

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

It ultimately comes down to how parents raise their children.

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mintymile 2 years ago

This is intriguing post. I mean I could not differentate the stuff writen by a bot and a stuff written by human, that tool may help but eventually AI bots can crack pass it by not doing those frequently used words writing forming the patterns.

Nice article, simple, interesting and relevant, you actually make AI understoof by people like me who don't know the nuiances or technicalities of it.

I laughed at the bot's reveiw...its a unique review for sure... anyway, tommorows world is going to be bizare if I am going to interact with a bot thinking its human(: , kind of possible.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @mintymile. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

that tool may help but eventually AI bots can crack pass it by not doing those frequently used words writing forming the patterns.

Yes, that's exactly also my concern.

Nice article, simple, interesting and relevant, you actually make AI understoof by people like me who don't know the nuiances or technicalities of it.

Wow, I'm really happy to hear that!

anyway, tommorows world is going to be bizare if I am going to interact with a bot thinking its human(: , kind of possible.

Yes, that will be ridiculous :)

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

I could rhyme. But if I did, like in a poem, you might think I was Data from Star Trek lol.

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danielfs 2 years ago

At least we can write by hand. As far as i know there's not a robotic hand that writes.

On the other hand, I don't care too much about steem because there are many bots and only few people are reading.

AI will continue to improve, I think we should learn how to create AI.

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clayrawlings 2 years ago

If there were an economic incentive, they would create a robotic hand that writes in cursive or printing. It could randomly make the letters flawed to give that "human effect." As AI progresses, tricking, influencing, frightening humans will become child's play for an advanced AI. The initial clumsy AI has been getting more amore nuanced with each passing year. For better or for worse, it is just over the horizon. Unlike many, I am unable to predict with certainty whether we are going to Utopia or hell on earth. Only time will tell.

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metzli 2 years ago

Oh gross! I had not thought about how easy it would be to "fake" human errors.

Its going towards Utopia for some of us and hell on earth for others.... Less on the Utopic Sides...

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neavvy 2 years ago

Unlike many, I am unable to predict with certainty whether we are going to Utopia or hell on earth. Only time will tell.

I 100% agree with that @clayrawlings

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @danielfs. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

At least we can write by hand. As far as i know there's not a robotic hand that writes.

Not yet :)

On the other hand, I don't care too much about steem because there are many bots and only few people are reading.

Yes, that's unfortunately the biggest problem.

AI will continue to improve, I think we should learn how to create AI.

That's surely a decent skill

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

There are probably robot hands that can write out there. But you need to know that there is a lot out there that we don't know, a lot of secret technology that they hide from people.

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a-non-e-moose 2 years ago

I've been waiting for this. My friends often talk about how scary deep fakes are, but I'm not really too worried at this point. I've heard that though generated images hold up well to cursory human observation they break down under statistical analysis.

I think it's not a vicious circle going nowhere, but a vicious circle that leads to accelerating advances in AI. We will learn loads from both ends of this kind of effort and AI on both sides will be more efficacious because of it. We may even learn something insightful about perception, creativity, or computing more generally.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @a-non-e-moose. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

I think it's not a vicious circle going nowhere, but a vicious circle that leads to accelerating advances in AI.

Okay, that's true.

We may even learn something insightful about perception, creativity, or computing more generally.

Well, I'm sure if strong AI is developed it will completely reorganize our view on these matters.

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a-non-e-moose 2 years ago

No worries! I learned great patience in my days of dial up internet browser gaming.

Keep sending links to interesting content and I'll keep showing up :)

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mllg 2 years ago

Upvoted and resteemed. Very interesting.
A present and a future time.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you very much dear @mllg. I really appreciate that!

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jadams2k18 2 years ago

Hellooo @neavvy!

Mmm... I still don't think an AI can write something like the Bible, the Odyssey, the Iliad. When they can do that, then I'll really be thinking of retiring from Steemit.

😉

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for leaving a comment dear @jadams2k18!

Mmm... I still don't think an AI can write something like the Bible, the Odyssey, the Iliad.

Well, maybe these pieces were written by some ancient AI brought to Earth by some UFO 😂 You never know 😂

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jadams2k18 2 years ago (edited)

Hahahaha! Good one! My dear friend! :D

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reverseacid 2 years ago

Hey, @neavvy. How you doin' buddy?

Thank for bringing your post to my attention.

Going through your posts made me ask several questions about morality and humanity to myself, that I think are a long way from being even acknowledged, let alone finding solutions for?

Can we really believe what the AI suggests us? Can AI's be motivated by the thoughts or actions of the persons who created or hired them?
How far should we allow AIs to penetrate our lives? And will that even matter?
Should there be a universal regulating authority keeping a constant check on AI developments 'cause there sure seems to be an "anything goes" thinking when it comes to developing them?

I am sure these questions pose huge debate and moral recollection, but only if questions like these are asked will there be any form of a collective understanding.

Great article buddy. Keep going.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @reverseacid. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

Can we really believe what the AI suggests us? Can AI's be motivated by the thoughts or actions of the persons who created or hired them?

Yes, at the current stage of development, AI's perception of reality strictly depends on the "settings" made by person who created it.

How far should we allow AIs to penetrate our lives? And will that even matter?

As little as possible.

Should there be a universal regulating authority keeping a constant check on AI developments 'cause there sure seems to be an "anything goes" thinking when it comes to developing them?

I think something like that is a must have nowadays. Although AI does not pose any threat to humanity, I think its development should be constantly tracked.

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greencross 2 years ago

the vast majority of text news by AP and Reuters are written by A.I., for the last few years already.
Do you know where can I test the A.I. to generate texts?. I hate writing about music ;)

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neavvy 2 years ago (edited)

Thank you for your comment dear @greencross. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

the vast majority of text news by AP and Reuters are written by A.I., for the last few years already.

Wow, I didn't know that. Do you have any link about that?

Do you know where can I test the A.I. to generate texts?. I hate writing about music ;)

Unfortunately I don't, but I would also use it willingly sometimes ;)

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artgirl 2 years ago (edited)

This is one of the reasons why I'm quite against AI sometimes. All the new ways to dupe people and such. People should focus more on doing good to others instead of abusing other people or systems. Ah life.

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @artgirl. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

People should focus more on doing good to others instead of abusing other people or systems. Ah life.

Indeed, that would make us all benefit...

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crescendoofpeace 2 years ago

Interesting piece. The AI text generators have definitely come a long way.

It will be interesting to see how the tech progresses, along with the tech to detect it; arms race indeed.

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neavvy 2 years ago (edited)

Thank you for your comment dear @crescendoofpeace. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

It will be interesting to see how the tech progresses, along with the tech to detect it; arms race indeed.

Yes, that's really a kind of a show.

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metzli 2 years ago

I agree with your "vicious circle leading to nowhere" theory.

AI will just keep getting smarter.

Perhaps we should instead start training ourselves on what we read, and making sure the sources are good. As writers, we can also make ourselves more personable to make sure that the person reading knows we are a they and not an it.

Its hard though, because we already dehumanize people on social media. We forget that there are real people behind those avatars!

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neavvy 2 years ago (edited)

Thank you for your comment dear @metzli. I really appreciate it a lot. I'm sorry for such a late reply, but I were on holidays and had very limited access to Internet.

Its hard though, because we already dehumanize people on social media. We forget that there are real people behind those avatars!

That's true, we are creating a perfect environment for AI development.

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago (edited)

Aliens Can Write Too LOL:

Exactly. Ultimately, it may not matter whether something was written by humans, AI, bots, aliens, or even your cat.

Application

Ultimately, what matters is what we do with it. If an AI writes a letter to you saying, "Burn down your house," then will you, @metzli, burn down your house?

Personal

I guess, if the AI was pretending to be your best friend in the whole wide world that you truly trusted, then you might consider it because you trust your friend so much. Ultimately, you would need to verify that your friend wrote it. So, make sure you have a secure communication between you and your friend.

Morality

Now, if the AI tries to promote something that is wrong, then you might be persuaded to believe in that thing. So, like you said, it is all about humans training humans and it comes down to understanding eternal principles. If the AI shares a good idea, then it is a good idea.

Brain Extension

The AI is simply like an extension of our brains in some ways. The AI can go through if this, then that, in the programming. The AI is simply a complex math problem. Like if A=B, then C=D, but if A+T=Y, then C=F.

AI Math

Bunch of math. That's AI. But people think. People can go with their logic or not. But the AI only goes by logic (programming). It looks like to us as if the AI is alive. Like you said, many things dehumanizes humans. That's bad. We have value. We are priceless. We should have robot body guards.

Brain Phones

Brain phones are coming. Celebrities will stick computer chips in their brains, if the have not already and say it is liberal and cool by 2020, that is next year, if they are not already doing it right now.

Immortality

They love transhumanism. I will try to not do that. But many people will be tempted to get brain phones. There are reasons why I wouldn't.

Transhumanism

But some people will feel like it would be better to do it. In some ways, they will be trying to turning us into AI while they stick computer chips into our brains. Some people already have computer chips.

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fucho80 2 years ago

Hello dear @neavvy, amazing what AI can generate, this seems to be a good solution to abuse in the use of machines to generate texts, I also share with you that it becomes a vicious circle.

Artificial intelligence makes fiction a threatening reality every day.

Thanks friend!

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neavvy 2 years ago

Artificial intelligence makes fiction a threatening reality every day.

That's true unfortunately...

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cloudblade 2 years ago

Test Results
I may not be human
Maybe my English is too bad.

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haikubot 2 years ago

Test Results I may
Not be human Maybe my
English is too bad.

^{- cloudblade}

^{^{I'm a bot. I detect haiku.}}

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for sharing your experience dear @cloudblade

I think that also the topic that you choose may affect the results of GLTR.

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crypto.piotr 2 years ago

Dear @neavvy

I bookmarked your publication in the past and somehow I forgot to read it until just now. A bit to old to upvote :(

it was written by Artificial Intelligence.

Oh wow. The most confusing part is the fact that this AI seemed to show some sort of emotions by saying "This book was so depressing to me, I can't even talk about it without feeling like I want to punch the kindle."

Reality is that AI can generate great content and surely can comment tons of publications daily, creating comments that are very hard to distinguish from humans. AI will probably take over digital marketing sooner or later.

Imagine mixing AI and deep fake news. This way you could have AI publishing videos and "pretending" to be someone else. Wouldn't you be amazed seeing your own face on youtube?

I would surely not dare to run my own youtube channel. Even publishing on public blockchain gives AI already enough data to pretend to be me.

Yours
Piotr

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neavvy 2 years ago

Thank you for your comment dear @crypto.piotr!

The most confusing part is the fact that this AI seemed to show some sort of emotions

Yes, that's a little bit frightening

I would surely not dare to run my own youtube channel. Even publishing on public blockchain gives AI already enough data to pretend to be me.

That's right, imagine analyzing thousands of comments that you left here on Steem. AI would be able to imitate your "style" of writing easily...

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thetimetravelerz 2 years ago

Hi @neavvy I feel that GTLR though it may be limited is only a use case a demo of the possibilities.
I would go through the github link and maybe we can tweak it to track spam and abusers on platform like steemit.
Another application could be to identify fake review writers on other platforms.
I know I am digressing from the topic a but but I find the uses and possibilities immense by tweaking the code as it is open sources and has listed on Github

Nice post buddy and good luck to you dear @neavvy

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joeyarnoldvn 2 years ago

@stefan.molyneux talked about this. He used to work on things like this. Generally, Artificial Intelligence (AI) is simply protocol-based with code, programs, with things like if this, then that. Of course, it depends on the technology and how complex it might be. Ultimately, each human should have their own robot body guards, guns, computers, etc.

Internet 3.0 will be rising in the 2020's, this next decade, said Oatmeal Joey Arnold, Joeyarnoldvn L4OJ Ojawall, and decentralization is fundamental to independent freedoms. The problem is when AI is remote controlled, that is through backdoors, from centralized global tech cartels, from China, from Rothschild, from the Vatican, from other groups, from the globalists, that is through remote access. We must always defend private property rights. That's fundamental. Technology is a tool that is used for good and for bad. Ultimately, you should always invest in different things. Always be prepared. Seek after eternal principles, common sense, wisdom, historical patterns, etc, etc, in order to handle whatever AI throws at us.

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