RE: No News is Good News - Not So Much

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The CCP has effectively placed quarantine in necessary areas to stem the spread of the epidemic. It seems that those who are spreading disinformation are those who purport freedom of information, or so-called whistle-blowers, that conjure-up nonsense from the virus being a bioweapon to people dying on the streets. The unparalleled surveillance infrastructure within China has allowed for tracking and detainment of virtually all potential carriers of the disease. The self-proclaimed truth-seekers are the only ones who exacerbate already chaotic and difficult situation by spreading fear and panic with their myopic perspective and ignorant assumptions. Censorship of potentially harmful information, especially during socially unstable circumstances, is rational governance, not some spooky paranoid conspiracy by cartoon evil-doers.



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Hello my old friend. I have feared I might never again read your clever apologia, take umbrage at your lies, or rant against your sly insinuations. I am glad to be so blessed today. Tomorrow I am off and away to the dangers of the metropolis, to see a man about a heart, and I do not know if I will be back again. If this is to be my goodbye, I am happy to have this opportunity to bid you adieu. Do be sure to survive and thrive, until we are well met on some happy day.

Since you seem to have your facts and opinions completely backwards, I will address them in the reverse of the order you have made your arguments. It seems fitting.

Lastly, you point out that censorship of potentially harmful information is rational governance, and this is the first mistake the CCP made I know they did make regarding this epidemic. Perhaps, as happened with SARS repeatedly, nCoV escaped from one of their labs where they study such things. Viewing the submissions the Wuhan Institute of Virology and similar research facilities run by the CCP have made to the NCBI, they appear to be the likeliest candidates for that likeliest of scenarios for the etymology of the Kung Flu, but I cannot know and do not make that accusation here. Surely if they did, nothing I might say or do could possibly make them regret that event more.

But when Li Wenliang revealed nCoV was spreading and sounded the alarm, he was censored by the CCP, and arrested for his factual revelation. I suppose that fact of this new disease spreading is what you would call 'harmful information' that should be censored. I have to note that the information was not harmful at all. It was the spreading disease that has proven to be extraordinarily harmful, and the censorship of that truth that has been perhaps the most harmful single thing the CCP has done in my lifetime, the reason this outbreak became an epidemic.

Instead of using their unparralleled surveillance infrastructure to ferret out and backtrack where the carriers had been, and effectively quarantining them then, when it could have done some good, they did not. Perhaps, in the event it was escaped from WIV or the Institute of Military Medicine, Nanjing Command, they already knew who had it and who did not, so didn't need to use their comprehensive surveillance capabilities to ascertain that information. Regardless, when it would have been useful, they didn't use it. When they could have deployed an effective quarantine in response to Li Wenliang's alarm call, they did not. Instead they utterly censored the information, preventing their hapless subjects from rationally acting to prevent the spread of the infection.

No. They censored the vitally important truth of the outbreak, failed to quarantine the few that had it then when it would have been able to save untold lives and treasure, and prevented actually medically advisable response and actions by their people until it was too late for far too many. Now, China's first tier cities are tombs of walking dead, where half a billion people wait to die, or maybe live, with but scant access to even diagnosis - unless they are a party member or soldier.

Self proclaimed truth seekers did not do this. They did not turn a small but dangerous outbreak into a plague people ought to fear, that ought to terrify them for their lives, their communities and families, and for their nation itself. It was the CCP that did it, with censorship, rank and brutal oppression, from their myopic perspective and ignorant assumptions.

It is not the CCP that purports freedom of information - the idea they would make such a claim is laughably ludicrous, were it not so clearly existentially and deadly dangerous - but it is they who cannot diagnose all the sick from lack of test kits, they who have no ability to treat them all, nor track the outcomes of their illnesses. They who oppose freedom of information are presently utterly incapable of actually having accurate information to oppose sharing, by their own censorship, oppression, and will to power. Since they have no intention of freely sharing factual information about what they have caused from this outbreak, they lie and mislead deliberately as to every metric that doctors might be able to use to save the lives of the Chinese people, multiplying the death and suffering more than the R0 of the malady.

These deliberate mistruths are killing more than those that were doomed by the initial censorship of the truth of the outbreak. There is speculation that malice and malevolence are behind the 'un-annotation' or deletion of submissions researchers have made to the NCBI, where the global community of virologists and doctors are sharing every scrap of information they can learn in order to stop this epidemic from becoming a pandemic, and an existential threat to every people on Earth.

Sounds right up the CCP's alley.

Today, despite having instituted the largest, most draconian and harsh quarantine that has ever afflicted humanity in history, that quarantine is not effective at all. Despite it is too harsh, just welding people's doors shut, blocking the doors to whole apartment blocks with debris, and violently forcing people into huge quarantine centers without bathrooms or medical care at all, it is too little, and too late.

Millions of people fearing exactly the fate that was in store for them if they allowed the CCP to quarantine them, have fled, taking their infections with them to places where they hoped they might survive them, which many surely would have not in the conditions in which the quarantines are undertaken.

Every last oppression, surveillance, and censorship China has seized has been a vector for making this outbreak worse, for preventing rational and compassionate care from saving lives, and turning a little outbreak into an epidemic that may end China as a country as a result of their own overbearing disregard for truth, justice, and the sovereignty of individuals. Every oppressive power, instead of making them more able to deal with this crisis, has utterly multiplied it's disastrous potential and harmful effects.

That is the fruit of overlords reigning over free people unjustly, of considering sovereigns 'muck' and subhuman cattle. By doing this, they have made of themselves powerless, cowering, slaves to their own self interest and the pandemic they spawned. No one will ever respect Xi Jinping again after the horror he has personally mandated to fall on China from heaven, and the WHO belongs beneath him for it's rank obsequity, and utter pantomime of his downfall.

They didn't use their power to prevent this. This is exactly the result of that power, and their personal and several responsibility.

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My thoughts will be with you friend, as you make your journey tomorrow. From my heart to your beautiful heart and mind, do come back to us.

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You are so kind. I am deeply affected by your simple sincerity.

Thank you.

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I am going to wish for the best, see you when you get back Ralph.

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I suppose the self-proclaimed defenders of "free speech" that have crawled out of their holes to brandish freedom and rights believe, no demand, that men are accorded the right to yell "fire" in a crowded arena or theatre without any consequence. What do you suppose would have been the consequence of screaming "epidemic" in a city of 20 million? "Freedom of speech" is lunacy that ignorant men demand, while possessing no capacity to comprehend the truths, nor the ability to act upon the information. What use would be the information regarding infectivity or mortality of this plague serve the average man? He neither possesses the capacity to enact public policy, nor the authority to decide the fate of 1.5 billion people. That the common man lacks such authority is a blessing upon him.

As you guess, the plague is more serious than what the CCP claims in the public announcements. But what your self-proclaimed defenders of freedom advocate will only worsen the current situation by undermining social and political order. The Westerners are so innured by constant and rampant fearmongering, that they lost the capacity to understand the use of information in engendering social calm. Unless some buffoon is screaming the end of the world, the Western mind has no capacity to comprehend information. Truth is irrelevant in emergencies; if blatant falsehood will ensure more favorable outcomes, any responsible government will pursue dissemination of lies to ensure public safety. That your faction of freedom lovers cannot discern the necessity of practical measures to maintain public order in emergencies proves that they ought not have access to sensitive information.

The infection rate of the plague is higher than that of the flu and mortality rate is likely to be around 20%. What do you think the "quarantine" warehouses in these cities are? The crematoriums are likely operating overtime, and the purpose of the so-called "disinfectant" sprays from roving armored vehicles are to mask the ashes and smoke from the crematoriums. Instead of wasting energy criticizing those who can make hard decisions, the West ought to work towards securing their own borders. When the plague hits your neighborhood, the Western populist whores will be unlikely to act decisively or be inclined to make necessary choices.

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"What do you suppose would have been the consequence of screaming "epidemic" in a city of 20 million?"

Dr. Li was not some lunatic waving a 'The End is Near!' placard on a street corner. Casting aspersions and insinuating anyone telling factual truth is some kind of whacko is simply pejorative and ignores the real world where actual results follow from actual events.

Allowing open and reasoned discussion enables science - it's all that does. It's why China uses the NCBI, why Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Institute of Military Medicine, Nanjing Command, submitted sequences to that database. The truth is that what's good for science is good for people.

The truth enables people to take logical actions. That's why it enables scientific progress, and why people would have supported immediate quarantine and treatment of the initial outbreak had they known about it - instead of not knowing and continuing to conduct their affairs in ways that resulted in the present epidemic and horrible economic disruption that may well kill more people than the virus itself.

The censorship and oppression of brutal Chinese overlords caused this epidemic as much as the virus. What you advocate for is the problem that is destroying Chinese society, civilization, and the people themselves. I utterly refute it, as I do all destructive and murderous oppression.

"What use would be the information regarding infectivity or mortality of this plague serve the average man? He neither possesses the capacity to enact public policy, nor the authority to decide the fate of 1.5 billion people."

The individual acting in their sovereign capacity is the necessary level of action to resolve epidemic. It is individuals that change their behaviours, such as wearing masks in public, not spitting in your eye, and other necessary actions to prevent the spread of infections, including quarantines.

All overlords can do is either brutally harm people with welding their doors shut, or drive them to escape for their very lives, neither of which promotes successful quarantine and survival of people you claim overlords benefit.

The censorship and oppressive brutality of Xi and the CCP caused this epidemic, destroyed the Chinese economy, and have existentially threatened the Chinese people themselves, when honesty, respect and compassion due sovereign people, and telling the truth would have ended this outbreak before it became an epidemic.

Live with the results of what you advocate. The Chinese people, those who survive, do.

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The lowborn peasants do not act in "sovereign capacity." Without direction and commands from their betters, they would exist meaninglessly and purposelessly, marching themselves into early graves. That some command and others obeys is not only necessary, but expedient. It is not reasoned discussion that dominate "free speech," but unlettered, over-emotional ignorance. What has "freedom of press" ever produce for the 'Muricans, but yellow journalism, fear mongering, and ever-increasing stupidity?

Scientific progress has no relation to human well-being. The incredible scientific advancements of Unit 731 did not engender well-being of its test subjects, not the targets of its bio-warfare weapons. The spectacular scientific progress of the Manhattan Project did not promote harmony and goodwill, as two cities were obliterated in the blinding glory of the atom bomb. Von Braun's scientific genius gave birth to the nuclear sword of Democles. The humanist god of science is as impersonal and fickle as the Olympic gods.

Without social control, society devolves into chaos. When epidemics can not be contained and controlled, your "sovereign individuals" will be killing his neighbors, eating their children, and burning his city down to ashes. Without government enforcement, death will spread uncontrolled via the epidemic and human malice. Iron-fisted central authority is a blessing not a curse, during times of crisis. While Hong Kong burns, yet again in meanless riots, the quarantined cities of the CCP have organised food delivery, enforced isolation protocol, and daily cremations of the newly dead.

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I do not have the heart to detail my disagreement on your every point, so will just leave this: you're wrong.

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There is no reason to trust a Communist government's portrayal of itself to the world at large. There is absolutely no reason to trust the CCP's "Facts" when they are actively prosecuting and intimidating "misinformationists."

China's population is almost 1.5billion and we are to believe that the infection is not numbered in the millions? Absolutely no possible way this is true.

How many Chinese died during SARS in early 2000's? We will never know because China did not even announce the epidemic in their country at the time it occurred.

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@soo.chong163 you CCP CHEAT

How dare you lie like a peon whilst your fellow countrymen die. Communism is cancer and poverty for all!

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https://media.8kun.top/file_store/34710218d842f4fbd94ba040b7e49bf593fae61268c19e427c4aabfcda8595d8.mp4

Your CCP and PLA is WEAK and PATHETIC. LYING CHEATERS, NO HONOUR.

https://twitter.com/conquersquadLan/status/1226708100121579520?s=20

Shanghai getting quarantined in parts now. Be Honest, ask for help and tell the truth. We will forgive you then!!!!!

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