RE: Azircon You're a Shame! Don't Vote Just Reblog If Hive Is Yours

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Hi @antisocialist,

My response to you invitation and to your statements is as follows:

When people signed up (and when new people sign up into the future) they sign(ed) up for a Hive account. They did not sign up to jump through hoops and build consensus outside the blockchain. That was never the vision and can not be considered the best way to evolve peoples Hive experience.

These sorts of things need to be handled on chain and if they can not then this is yet another sign that this aspect of the procedure needs to be reworked.

As more and more people onboard this is only going to get more and more apparent.

Also... I would be amiss to not also bring up more.

I believe that this method of off-chaining issues that happen on-chain also sets up the game for all sorts of abuse (of a different nature than the spam and plagiarism everyone is worried about) as their is no level of consequence or accountability in the courts of discord for those administering it.

And so I say in response, "Beware of this approach to Hive integrity."

We need to focus on further evolving the DPOS governance model.

THAT is exactly what it is that people are signing up for when they join us here on Hive... otherwise they would settle for keeping their perfectly good Bitcoin invested squarely in POW and POS systems.

You see... The problem with governance off chain is that it allows egos and arrogance to grow and overflow onto the blockchain.

We can be doing all the right things but in the wrong ways... and it still ends up being a huge mess that the community is going to have to clean up later on.

This methodology, I believe, is also doing a lot more than we bargained for... It's directly effecting the marketability of the Hive Blockchain and adjusting the price of the Hive Token downwards with every response.

And if we are not careful this could result in more people are actively migrating off the chain than are arriving. If that were to happen, it's going to get pretty echoy here if we are not careful!

Big picture...

We need a Hive where business owners can feel confident to build out their business's.

We need a Hive where investors can feel confident enough to park their money.

That's not going to happen if we allow heavy handed approaches.

Zero Out's brands us in some very bad way's.

The people of Hive deserve a friendlier Hive Blockchain.

I really hope that what I'm saying acts as a wake up call for you and many others.

Sincerely,

@wil.metcalfe



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They did not sign up to jump through hoops and build consensus outside the blockchain.

Yes, that would be nice, but it isn't what we find ourselves confronted with.

That was never the vision and can not be considered the best way to evolve peoples Hive experience.

The standard is: original content.
Not repeated original content.
Not copy/pasta.
Original content each and every time.

Should this be the standard?
You'd have to ask where they build the consensuses.
It was worse when you had to kyc for slack to get any attention.
I understand some of the 'more reputable' accounts were quite disrespectful of others in there, so many defectors are to be found, if you care to look.

I'd say that the slack no longer rules the consensus, now it is found in the discords.
As far as 'the community' goes, anyways, and not just the controlling interests of hive power.
They still do things privately to some extent.

I believe that this method of off-chaining issues that happen on-chain also sets up the game for all sorts of abuse (of a different nature than the spam and plagiarism everyone is worried about) as their is no level of consequence or accountability in the courts of discord for those administering it.

What would you like?
Men with badges and saturnalia robes?
Would that give you more confidence in what we are doing there?

Web 3.0 is the new wild west, nobody wants to kyc.
On hive you don't have to, your account suffices to take any reputational hits.

The discords are open, afaik you can scroll all the way back.
You can lurk and see exactly what is happening.
Many misperceptions would be avoided using this simple trick, but nope.
The people you do see commenting in those servers have crossed a barrier in the pursuit of an abuse free pool.
Not everybody is prepared to do that, but somebody has to be an adult in the room, eh?

We need a Hive where business owners can feel confident to build out their business's.

There is nothing wrong with the coin.
3sec confirmations, immutable in 10sec, 0 transaction fees, liquid stable coin traded on an internal dex, can be earned in relatively large amounts by creating original content, ties to multiple external dex's and defi options, soon™ @klye will give us secured loans.
Blogging rewards will be a small part of the hive once he does that and the defi aspects really begin to kick in, iyam.
Any serious business owner can be confident those aspects of the hive will persist.
Not so with the reward pool, many salivating at its elimination.

There is a crowd of people here, please them and you will grow hive rich, displease them and find out what proof of stake mining of hive is currently coded to be, a crab bucket.

Either you hang out with us flaggots, or you get no say in the consensus.
You could build your own group, but so far, that has not successfully displaced what we currently have, despite many attempts.
Tptb are also, largely, diamond hands, so this consensus is likely to stand until a wedge issue comes up to break it.

I really hope that what I'm saying acts as a wake up call for you and many others.

Ditto.

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Ah man... your missing so many points this time around my friend. I’m actually on the mend from a week of COVID... and to be honest. I don’t have the energy to sit down, rectify, and explain my self over and over again on these points.

Let’s put it this way...

We aren’t talking about the potential of the Hive blockchains technology. I sold a lot of stock, my fitness studio and equipment, and invested some of my personal savings because I believed in that...

But here’s the problem I see...

There’s too many people set on keeping things that are clearly broken the same. This isn’t the time for this level of closed mindedness. It’s the time to innovate the future of HOW we human.

If we kept things the same we would all be living in mud huts and nothing would improve so evolving is an imperative and a community of people with that mindset will be an open and listening one rather than an explaining why things are one.

I am actually thinking (and the is only the second time now.) of pausing all my BUIDL projects around fitness... powering down... and moving my attention over to 100% @comet.ranker. That means no more @beachready. No more @adventureready. I have all but lost confidence in the ability for this place to create the stability needed to support business investment... or at least what it’s going to take. A business dies in an unhealthy social environment. Ideas die in these sorts of environments.

This has got to be a place that not only attracts new people but retains them and inspires them to evolve themselves and tell their friends, family, and famous.

And right now... I just feel like we are sooooooo far away from the solid ground we would need to do the sorts of things I have in mind for my fitness business’s to thrive.

So yeah... if I’m thinking this way after 4 years of really trying with my time, skill, and capital... how many other people are feeling this way? How many people have already left because of thinking like this?

It’s not looking good... and so regrettably...

I am actually considering moving those projects back off chain.

That’s a shame really... after all the effort and time that’s gone into them...

But I can see that there are some much much larger problems on the blockchain that I need to be dedicating 100% of my time and effort to.

So that’s actually where I’m at.

That’s actually what’s on my mind.

The point of this is really to suss out if this is the sort of friendly social environment where a fitness business can succeed and thrive...

And honestly man... I’m getting a little sick of picking up the broken glass.

So yeah... I’m feeling a little frustrated that your not really listening to hear and understand me... your just busy explaining and justifying why things need to stay exactly as is.

Man!

I thought we were better than this...

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So yeah... there you have it. The inner workings of what’s going on in this fitness Entrepreneur’s mind.

I didn’t get into business so that I could get in line and do what everyone else wanted me to do... man! I got in business because it was the chance of a lifetime to finally get the chance to do what I wanted to do for a change... and help a lot of people in the mean time.

If I wanted to fall in line I sure wouldn’t have found my way here and I sure wouldn’t have launched my fitness business’s.

No... this has got to be a place where people actually feel like they can win.

And how things are going... that doesn’t seem to be the case. And if we don’t want a marginalized Hive... we had better realize this soon before it’s to late.

And if you don’t think there are other technology greats in the space with their eye on the prize... our prize! Then you are mistaken.

The longer we collectively take to figure this out and innovate passed it... the easier it will be for those lesser projects to over take us.

It seems to me anyhow... that Hive is not really ready for what it would take to establish a social environment conducive to the scaling that this level of success would require.

This isn’t about technological advancement... this is about the minds... the social fabric that brings all that together and gives it a point of being.

If people don’t think that they can come here and build out THEIR ideas and THEIR dreams... why will they come? With the promise that they will get filthy rich... so long as they fall in line?

Forget it!

There’s so many other projects out there that have exactly that mindset and those projects will all fail... it’s just a matter of time.

But in the end... I’m a Hive owner along with the best of them... and so I think, for me anyways, I have decided it.

Everything needs to shift to @Comet.Ranker.

Hive is not actually ready to support business in the way that it would need to for them to risk it and thrive.

One things sure... you have helped me decide what I must do.

It’s pretty apparent.

So thank you in the end for this.

I have a whole new clarity thanks to you.

I’m a bit sad though... it’s not easy to make a decision like this one...

And maybe one day I will be able to retrace my steps and start over.

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What part of 'original content' is giving you a hard time?
Can you show me on the doll where the flags touched you?

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LoL! Do you guys all need to talk so disrespectfully? I’m not at all alright with this adult/kid reference thing going on throughout each and every one of you (and your crews) threads. I find it insulting and even a bit disturbing. It really says more about you (all) and the positional level in which you guys are attempting to frame things.

So your picking one thing that, coincidentally, you said and thinking that I have a problem with “original” content? And then you bring up kyc as if it was something I was even talking about? WTF?

None of this is the intended point of anything I have said. I am someone that prides myself in original authentic work... so this is a none issue for me. What matters, for the one billionth time, is HOW these measures are implemented. This is what needs to evolve and change.

How we do things matters just as much as what we are doing. That’s the point.

And if... these rightful actions are taken in the wrong way and with an implicit or explicit intent that’s not friendly... it ends up doing far more harm than good.

You know...

In the past you and I have seen eye to eye and had some pretty decent conversations...

I can’t say that this is one of those...

It’s because there is something that afflicts this group... and it goes from the top all the way to the bottom... it’s that people in this group of yours don’t have a habit of listening to understand... you guys listen to speak.

Already this is a bad starting place for dealing with any indiscretions or dispencsing any sort of right action on the blockchain...

It does little to generate trust... and it does a lot to charge the social environment.

I’m wondering if you hear me?

I certainly hope so... as this will be my last comment with you about this subject.

I think I made myself pretty clear in every communication above...

Please do me a favour if you would... would you please give things another read in the morning and see if even some of what I’ve said makes even the slightest sense...?

Alright...

I think that this has gone on quite enough.

I’ll talk to you later.

Sound like a plan?

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Ok, what do you suggest?

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Read back through my comments. What I am suggesting is a way to democratize the DV through the utilization of DPOS at the base layer.

If this is part of being a Hive owner (freedom & responsibility right?) then we have now given ourselves another use factor for our DPOS and we have systematized (and branded) the process of controlling for abuse into a tight and efficient process.

No longer would people be working for HiveWatchers they would be working for the Hive Blockchain and that would align behaviour and implementation as such.

A flag would broadcast and serve as a warning to the person who is in breach and this would build time into the equation so that we don’t create a blindside and zero out without consensus culture.

Not only does this effectively deal with the problem (defusing a lot of the potential charge as it is a community decision now) it also would spread the load of integrity out further bringing together the community rather than driving it apart.

This is a solution that scales while also not destroying and undermining the hard and difficult task of marketing (and keeping marketable) the Hive Blockchain to the masses.

If you would like to read more about what I’m thinking here you can check out my thoughts in the comments section of one of @theycallmedan’s posts (posted a couple months ago) where I (and others) detail a plan for how the DV could work. 👇
https://ecency.com/hive/@theycallmedan/a-bit-of-a-rant

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please consider reviewing your witness votes

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I have been reviewing my witness votes recently. Thank you for your suggestion here.

Question. What’s the reason for removing this particular vote? I don’t know much about this particular one. (Another reason why I have been taking time to do my due diligence.)

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Figured out why and removed all my witness votes from pharesim.

I want witness's that have their loyalties to all of Hive... not just the big centralized players who are attempting to further centralize and group think Hive with their downvotes.

It's time to shake up the witness votes... and I'll continue to do my due diligence while also powering down most of my accounts.

Thanks for the heads up! 👍

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He knows what he did, but he'll tell you a tale otherwise.

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You like that! 😂

Freedom on the blockchain isn’t free.

It’s been on going but may be coming to a bit of a head presently.

https://ecency.com/hive-engine/@trostparadox/although-subjectively-downvoting-posts-to-zero-is-anathema-to-me-the-layer-1-ability-to-do-so-must-remain-for-now-at-least

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