One at a time, please

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After a couple very long days of work, only to come home and spend til near midnight each evening ripping the garden apart after the contractors decided to come in early (better than late) to start work, I am knackered. My body is aching and my Hive outlet for maintaining sanity has been on the backburner for the most part. With so many hours owing from work, I decided to indulge myself a little and write for a few hours and head to work late.

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There was a Twitter call to action by @theycallmedan to get Hive listed on Uphold. When I go to support these kinds of things I will often scan the comments to see what the general feel is and if these Twitter polls mean anything, Hive should be listed everywhere, as there is a mass of community support behind it. However, there is more to it than that.

What I do like seeing however are tweets like this one:

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This is probably the most important component of Twitter campaigns, visibility. Like us at Hive, people participate in these campaigns to shill their favorite coins to get listed in the hopes to make some gains - both from a monetary and community perspective And like me at least, some people like this person will read the comments too.

From the monetary perspective, coins are what coins are, but from a community perspective, there is currently none stronger than Hive. While most people in crypto are traders and therefore focused on the financials, mass adoption of the industry and all of the benefits that will bring will rely on being able to generate value for people and their communities.

If we think about the dotcom era two decades ago, we can learn a lot from the survivors, the Amazons, the eBays and the Googles - They survived because they were able to not only offer, but deliver value to their customers. While the customer might not always actually be right, when it comes to supply and demand, customer is king. In regards to a lot of the current crop of cryptocurrencies and blockchains, most have very little substance to them and their customers are speculators looking to buy and sell for profits, on ideas that are often no more than promiseware for the future, with most likely becoming vaporware - much like many of the "victims" of the dotcom bubble - that essentially ran pump and dump schemes on investors who didn't know much about what they were buying.

As I have said before, Hive suffers a visibility problem, but it isn't only through a lack of visibility, it is also due to "too much" visibility. Hive is one of the most transparent crypto projects out there, because unlike most of the rest, we can see and interact directly with the customers, many of whom are like me - exposed. We know what people hold, we know what they do, we know what they think and we can read about all of their loves and complaints.

If you are buying a new TV or headphones, a game or car, do you read the reviews and how much influence do they have on you? Most likely, you will be influenced and because loss weighs twice
as heavy as gain, the negative reviews are likely more influential than the positive. We likely suspect that the positive reviews are people who have a bias because they already bought, the negative are less biased because they bought and still didn't like.

One of the issues on Hive is that it can be earned in a innovative, but imperfect system and those that don't earn are often the ones who are the most negative about the future - they are also the ones that are least likely to buy. Whereas those who buy are positive about the future and probably more likely to earn - because people tend to support (add value) to what they consider is value adding to their investment.

The negative voices on Hive are loud, but often have very little skin in the game behind them, the positive voices tend to have a lot of skin. To an outsider that doesn't understand or have visibility on the staking system or stakeholder history, these two sides of the normal distribution appear to both have an equal say, but the negative weighs twice as heavy.

However, the positive is actually far more valuable for a potential investor to pay attention to in regards to whether they should invest or not, because often it is an indicator of confidence in the future as these people tend to have skin in the game. For many of the negative positions, they have nothing to lose, but often because they are not earning what they believe themselves to be worth, they are bitter about their experience. They wanted gain, but failed or like many from the early days, got supported heavily, but lost their support over time and had their expectations broken and their entitlement issues kicked into gear.

There are a wide range of users on Hive from all over the world and from all walks of life, but the general position of many who are not investors is that they want to earn. However, wanting to earn and earning are two different things - and not everyone is going to earn what they want as there is a large variation in factors like skill, knowledge and personality that come into play. This means that there is a range of earning outcomes, with most who put in some effort getting a little all the way up to the few who get a lot - with many of those who get a lot putting in a different set of abilities as well as a greater level of investment, both through content and direct investment.

For the investors who also want to earn a return, they can be less concerned about the 7-day payout window, as they are likely looking far longer into the future to a point where the tokens they have bought are worth more than their cost. Their investment into HIVE is an indicator of their confidence level and if they have done their due diligence, they have seen the negative reviews and understood that for the most part, they are coming from people who never bought the product and therefore, never actually used it to its potential -

kind of like taking a Lamborghini for a test drive around a school zone and then making an opinionated review about the performance of the engine as if an experienced expert.

But again, to the outsider who is doing their research, it is impossible to tell whether a review is coming from someone knowledgeable and experienced, someone shilling for profit or, someone bitter because they were caught plagiarizing and their account was burned to the ground with downvotes. Yes - these kinds of people talk about their experience on Hive too, and an outsider doesn't know the history or understand the mechanics.

Bitcoin is different, you buy it, you have a wallet, there is mostly equality in user experience of the BTC blockchain. What people should remember is that like products themselves, not every account is built in the same way on Hive. On Hive, you could take a pathway like I have for 4 years to build an account based on my skills and experience, investing some of my disposable income, developing relationships, exploring the space to understand and being very open in the process. Or one can go to the other extreme and try and scam and spam - we both want gains - but the way to those gains taken is very, very different. Yet, we can both write reviews, we can both comment on Twitter, we can both be considered "knowledgeable" by outsiders to the point it will influence opinions and decisions - the negative gets weighted higher -especially by people who are yet to see the other side.

I replied to the Tweet mentioned above and added a link to my own account, rather than a general link, which I would normally do.

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I don't like shilling my own account and in 4 years, I haven't dropped posts in discords or chats in the hope for votes - I like the idea of having my journey on chain. I want someone who hasn't heard of Hive and is coming to have a look for the first time to see some of the potential of the community through a positive path on the blockchain and to come in through a gateway that will introduce them to parts of the community that are active, invested and working toward improvement.

Not everything on Hive is great and there is a lot of work to be done, but this isn't promiseware and it isn't vaporware, it is a fully-fledged, functioning and innovative blockchain, with a working and engaged community and a growing ecosystem of applications that are built on the Hive infrastructure and integrated with a tokenized economy that can support a wide range of usecases such as blogging, gaming and financial services. But most importantly, Hive is a place that is looking to support the community - off and on the blockchain - now and in the future.

As I see it, what is going to take Hive mainstream is also what is going to take the entire crypto industry to the masses, one conversion at a time. One person making a decision to move away from the traditional economies and into where economies will be - community owned and operated economies.

It doesn't matter which crypto or blockchain one chooses to invest into, Hive can become a conversation hub, a network that can give a home platform to the homeless crypto projects and empower them to further support the industry as a whole - plus, give them an open and normie-friendly gateway to their own projects. To take crypto and blockchain to the masses, it is imperative to support crypto projects that offer service for the masses - not just buy some crypto coin and hope someone will pump the price up so as to sell back into fiat.

Collecting projects under one roof can benefit all, not just Hive projects. But Hive applications will benefit also, as they offer more than just tokens, they offer a place to use those tokens in various ways, as well as earn and be entertained through a growing assortment of games, content and activities. This intertwines projects and creates (I hate this word) synergies and compounding advantages that will generate value that projects won't be able to generate if working completely independently.

I think it would be a great application of Communities for this purpose that gives crypto projects a collected home where developers can broadcast their updates, people can share their project experience and users of whatever the project offers will have shareable links that can be used to support their favorites on other social platforms. I think that a large part of any projects future value will be driven by the narrative that surrounds it and most don't have much of a story at all.

On Hive there are many paths - and anyone can build their legend.

Taraz
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So. I may know the guy that you replied to. I know a same name guy that is a shit crazy geek that's involved in Boy Scouts with his son and has owned and ridden a Panigale (The nastiest Ducati made).

In the last 24 hours I've checked two profiles of Hivers that are on the 'negative side' of the balance sheet. Not making what they are worth guys. Their posts are typically awful and probably over valued at .20. Blob of text, probable stolen pictures, no formatting at all. Makes me sad. The only excuse for a bad looking post is sloth.

I've also met and followed two newish Hivers who are undervalued without doubt. Their posts are attractive and well written and I'll support them both when and where I can.

That's a horrible pile of words just written in complete agreement with your post. You'd think I get paid by the word.

Maybe the wheel is turning at your house if the workers came early. Hard work for you but a nice surprise.

So. I may know the guy that you replied to

Ha, that'd be an awesome coincidence!

I've also met and followed two newish Hivers who are undervalued without doubt. Their posts are attractive and well written and I'll support them both when and where I can.

When you find these types, you are welcome to let me know either here or on discord ( tarazkp#5792)

That's a horrible pile of words just written in complete agreement with your post. You'd think I get paid by the word.

I do get paid by the word - very, very little when the math is done :D

Maybe the wheel is turning at your house if the workers came early. Hard work for you but a nice surprise.

Yeah, it isn't all bad - but I have a lot of work work to do, and then I have to do the house work stuff when I get home which has been around 8 at night. Last two nights, I have been tearing down and chopping the hedge and then last night I loaded it into a skip (container). it was dark when I finished - and it gets dark late here :D

Now I will head upstairs to clean up the attic area of wood and debris so a guy can come in tonight - after letting us know a couple hours ago. I should phone a friend :)

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Good job sharing your profile. You're a positive example.

I wish you made more photography posts because you're quite skillful.

I wish you made more photography posts because you're quite skillful.

I think I might and change it up a bit with some shorter posts. I know that people will likely complain because of autos, but perhaps it will encourage some more Twitter shares. I am still hoping that there will be a dev that creates my quote app idea too :)

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That's a good call. Anyone who associates Hive blogging platform with your profile, they will definitely be impressed.

For me, there are two facets of my engagement on Hive. I definitely want to earn more tokens so that I can share the part of the overall Hive pie when it grows in its value. I am looking forward to that day. But, that is not my only motivation.

I always wanted to write. I write and research all the time as my full time profession. Future scenarios excite me and I have a personality where unknown is attractive. Hive is something that combines all these aspects into one. It gives me a platform to write. It is a futuristic platform (in a way) where there are early adopters of blockchain powered social media platforms. And, the future is unknown. If you mix all these concepts then that is what I prefer to engage with.

This is the real reason I am active on Hive. That's why what you wrote here resonated with me. I want my own journey on my own terms, which could be very different to others or somewhat similar to many. Nevertheless, it will be unique. Hope my engagement brings positive value to the platform.

Future scenarios excite me and I have a personality where unknown is attractive.

This is a great perspective to hold as I think that it removes a lot of the fear of uncertainty and replaces it with curiosity. Rather than frozen in fear of the future, it is walking with open eyes looking to see what is there.

I want my own journey on my own terms, which could be very different to others or somewhat similar to many. Nevertheless, it will be unique.

I think this is one of the beauties of the ecosystem, you can walk your own path, rather than be guided by the many behavioral scientists that have been involved in the design of the other platforms to create a path with many boundaries.

I gave you a follow too to see what you are up to :)

If somebody asks you what pressure is - it is right here -this - your last statement

I gave you a follow too to see what you are up to :)

Well, I hope there will be nothing new. You will see daily actifit posts, random running posts and a couple of other climate, renewable energy, sustainability and football posts. But, there is one thing I will definitely do - genuine engagement on the platform.

Thanks for the follow and hope I will remain as active as I am right now even after my parental leave. And, may be invest a little on Hive as I get along this journey.😇

I am not overly critical of what people write. I like people, not dissertations :)

lol. Fair enough. No more dissertations. 😂

You can write them, I just might not read them ;D

Edit: I like when people have varied content that covers topics they are interested in and their life. I don't have to like it all to like some of it :)

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Apparently anyone with sense will want to buy Into a coin with a full functional community and basically hive has a the best community so far. I saw the poll on twitter and well I'm guessing once again these kind of polls are necessary to create awareness again for hive.
Apparently we aren't perfect but we're striving even better.

I think that for some of the projects, the lack of visibility is good for them, because there is nothing behind the facade. The empty project containers won't last.

Not everything on Hive is great and there is a lot of work to be done, but this isn't promiseware and it isn't vaporware, it is a fully-fledged, functioning and innovative blockchain, with a working and engaged community and a growing ecosystem of applications that are built on the Hive infrastructure and integrated with a tokenized economy that can support a wide range of usecases such as blogging, gaming and financial services. But most importantly, Hive is a place that is looking to support the community - off and on the blockchain - now and in the future.

Thank you for this piece of information... Didn't realize hive requires hardwork until now... I'm a newbie and it has been quite difficult posting, making comments and engaging in communities, I don't even know why I'm lazy but reading this and seeing people like you who has been here for 4years and doing so well! I'm really inspired to take this seriously... I've actually learnt alot from hive especially about crypto and Blockchain and I hope to learn more and be more involved...

Pretty much anything of monetary value requires hard work because if it was easy, anyone would do it and it wouldn't be scarce. Hive is easy to participate in and has a lot of intrinsic value depending on your preferences - but to earn HIVE well, generally takes effort as there is a competition on resources.

but to earn HIVE well, generally takes effort as there is a competition on resources

Yes... I noticed this, thanks alot!

I like the idea of sharing your Hive profile link. It will definitely help the people to explore Hive blog in detail.

I hope so, but it is a bit weird for me to do it that way. I don't mind sharing my posts to Twitter on my profile, but "link dropping" is not my way.

Perhaps it would be good to have more twitter shares and quotes from content - build brands around users on traditional social media

I hope so, but it is a bit weird for me to do it that way. I don't mind sharing my posts to Twitter on my profile, but "link dropping" is not my way.

I know exactly how it feels, I don't like that either but if it comes to inviting someone who shows interest, it's better you than a spammer 😁

Otherwise, great article, I like how you categorized users based on their investment or lack of it.

There are lots of groups of users, but since this is also a place investment is possible, it is good to differentiate to see what changes in behavior.

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Exactly.... look what the $zil twitter campaigns did for $zil .... #HIVE should be all over Twitter. .... just type hive.blog on a tweet and you get a very nice link. #hive should be the #1 trending on Twitter every day.

Yes, but that link heads back to the front page - which is good for signup but it kind of leaves a potential user fending for themselves to get started. What I have noticed over the years is where a person begins their journey can have a large impact on the path they take.

Yess! I initially imitated posts since I had no idea how to blog, now it's weird to remember how alien blogging felt before. Anyways it took some time till I stopped worrying about exactly what and how I post but to follow the instinct and more natural posts. I was lucky the first impressions I got were awesome art posts mostly curated by Curie :) and I got feedback from those close to me.

Imagine if you got invited into Hive by a shitposting plagiarist who showed you how to use Hive as they do - would you still be here?

What link should we use ? And I will use that link... people need to know where to go.

I am not sure - which is why I gave my own - from there they can navigate to the front page anyway. My thinking is at least this way, the first thing they see isn't spam :) Because they won't be logged in, they will get sent to the frontpage of the blog once they go to a mainpage?

Ok.... I will try that. Maybe I will do a a very simple write up for someone just learning about Cryptocurrency and the idea that they could be earning a little $$$ from their original content versus sharing on Instagram, Facebook etc ....

Yeah, why not. As long as it isn't spammy and just dropped everywhere, it might be okay. I prefer it when there is some kind of opening before someone drops me a link - I don't like junkmail either :D

Yeah. Maybe better not to provide any links at all.

Someone should create a very simple and easy to understand Start Page for someone to understand Hive .... it’s confusing.... so many options.

That was an enjoyable read. Lines filled with passion and encouragement for the one who's indecisive of joining Hive. Indeed, there are awesome opportunities wrapped here yet untapped. It all goes beyond the financial benefits.

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In the future, those opportunities are going to slowly reveal themselves, with some of them being quite surprising to many people. I am looking forward to the entire ecosystem growing - including all of the other worthy projects.

The negative voices on Hive are loud, but often have very little skin in the game behind them, the positive voices tend to have a lot of skin.

Elementary my Dear Watson!

And there are many psychological and emotional reasons for that.

Those who have a lot of skin in the game have no choice but being positive. Since the sense of potential loss is way higher than those with less skin in the game who can afford being more neutrally agnostic & skeptics. And as the saying says: "Faith is the last thing that is lost" Therefore, as everything tend to be pretty common in these situations/positions... ¿what else can the former do but staying blindly positive?

but the negative weighs twice as heavy.

Yeah! maybe because 'negativity' (or defensive pessimism as I like to call it) if it is specially exerted with reasonably strong and solid arguments of logic and critical thinking, always will tend to sound way more convincing than any lightweight optimism and blind faith.

More often than not. Negativity or 'Defensive Pessimism' is not more than the tangible result of a great deal of very accurate & attent observations to the details and vivid past experiences. :)

Those who have a lot of skin in the game have no choice but being positive.

This is only partly true - they can be negative but have the incentive to actually do something or change something. Those without skin will be negative and have no reason to do otherwise.

less skin in the game who can afford being more neutrally agnostic & skeptics.

I disagree - because if you haven't noticed, they still have desire for outcomes - they are definitely not impartial.

Yeah! maybe because 'negativity' (or defensive pessimism as I like to call it) if it is specially exerted with reasonably strong and solid arguments of logic and critical thinking, always will tend to sound way more convincing than any lightweight optimism and blind faith.

I don't think so. I believe it is because are hardwired with warning mechanisms and the negative brings out our fears. The people who often speak in the negatives speak with conviction however and that can convince people - no matter how little knowledge is there to back it up. Remember that politicians speak with conviction, as do those who support them - no matter how insane the ideas may be.

More often than not. Negativity or 'Defensive Pessimism' is not more than the tangible result of a great deal of very accurate & attent observations to the details and vivid past experiences. :)

But, it is a personal account of the world that might not apply to others who have a different set of skills and wills. The people who are the most negative about Hive are also the ones that have done - just what they wanted here. Funny, isn't it?

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Nice. but
I am interested in the response part also.

Should we have a Hive forum where you can discuss Hive outside the Hive ecosystem. No or very less activity in steem thread in bitcointalk and I guess Hive did not created any ANN page there.

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I think there are several. There are forums on Reddit and Quora also - not sure about bitcointalk.

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Many take months to realize that spam is a road to nowhere. But it is enough to read one such article. This article is great wisdom for a beginner in the crypto world.

Regarding the future, it depends only on us whether we can realize the full potential of HIVE.

Some people mnever learn that spam doesn't get anywhere - but then, a lot of people don't read articles like this :)