Everything is going to be gamed

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While it would be fantastic if we all came together and sang Kumbaya by the fireside, it isn't going to happen as we are all living in a variety of conditions, have different needs and are incentivized at the individual cellular level in a highly diverse range of ways. What this means is that no matter the system created, there is always likely to be those who will look to use it in ways it was not designed to be used meaning - Ab-use - wrongly used.

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Systems are tools and just like a hammer that can be used to bang nails into wood and build a house, that same tool can be used to smash a window or bludgeon a skull. How it is used is up to the person using it, but there is no way to enforce "correct usage" once it is in someone's hands. Then, correct usage is a problem also, as what is deemed correct by the manufacturer, might not be considered correct by the end user, who might have other ideas in mind. For example, Hitachi created an electric massager once upon a time that was a "mindblowing" success - as a sex toy.

It could be the tax or voting system, it could be the advertising model on social media, the buffet at Sizzler or any other system you can think of - if there is the possibility, it will be exploited. And, because people have all of these variables, those who exploit for gain see nothing wrong with what they are doing as they have a myriad ways to justify their behavior. Abuse of systems isn't exclusive to Hive and like it or not, most people "break the laws" of society in some way and most people will believe there is nothing wrong with it and perhaps, even get a thrill from it, like a petty shoplifter who steals without needing what is stolen.

This doesn't mean that it is right, nor does it mean it is wrong - as while we believe we should protect systems against abuse that we support, we simultaneously know that the same systems can be filled with ridiculous rules or, loopholes that can be exploited by the few. The legal system of a country might be a good example where most people believe that they are needed, but they themselves pick and choose which laws they are going to abide by and fight for, justifying their decisions on their immediate needs - like speeding when late. We abide by laws based on hierarchy and the incentives to do so.

Systems are always changing and no matter how good one is created, the longer it lasts, the more out of touch with conditions it will get as the environment it has been designed for shifts. These can be macro systems like the global economy or tailored and precise systems like the telecommunications industry that has completely revolutionized over the last few decades.

Once in the wild, it is impossible to control exactly how a system is going to be applied and once they are "misused", other systems will change in order to protect themselves too. For example, Bitcoin has often been publicly cited as the medium of exchange for criminal activity - as if that criminal activity didn't exist prior to Bitcoin. Criminals will use dollars, rupees, gold, guns, drugs and slaves as a medium of exchange - and the authorities haven't stopped it - with them often being the ones using system loopholes themselves.

Hive is a unique system because of its economic capabilities combined with social and technological innovation. It is a system made up of many systems and even though the community utilizing the macro view is small, we can see that many of the same problems of the "real world" exist here, because this is a real world too. People don't change because the medium they operate in changes, it is only when the conditions change, with many people having the same conditions of their life that they use to justify their behavior there, as they do here.

This doesn't mean that the abuse of systems is right, nor does it mean that it should be tolerated, but Hive is an opt-in community with no member of Hive having to be here at all - Everyone is free to come and go as they please. Just because every system holds the potential for abuse, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't develop systems that might be misused or have unintended consequences, because this is what evolution and innovation requires to advance.

There is no perfect system and narrow systems that intend to do one thing, could very well break things in other areas that weren't considered or perhaps, generate things that didn't exist prior to the new system introduction. On Hive, I believe that to combat negative usage, the system itself should be simple from a user perspective, but there should be increasing complexity and change through a fracturing of the many systems into usecases that are narrow.

What this means is that while there will be many ways for abuse, there will be no clear way and so many pathways that abuse will be combated by competing abuses - which could be considered as part of the distribution of the token itself. This sounds pretty terrible in some respects, but if you consider that in the global economy today, the loopholes for the largest gain are only accessible to a sliver minority of the entire population through creative accounting and international tax obligation laws, we can see where that leads.

Having said this, the majority of incentive and reward should be distributed to good actors that bring advantage of some kind to the community, which is why the support what you want to see more of model is a pretty decent rule of thumb. You want to see more abuse on the platform, support it - if you want to see growth and development so that the community becomes robust and rewarding for the majority of participants - support it.

It is easy to criticize other people's system development and architecture, but remember that our own behaviors and voting patterns are a system and part of the larger system too and how we act, matters.

This is a tokenized and monetized platform with hundreds of ways to use and abuse the system. While everything is going to be gamed, the ones who benefit the most should be those who play to win by adding value to the community, not extracting from it. Although, not everyone is going to agree on that, because people believe that they are outside the laws. At the blockchain level, we are all bound by the code, but society has a far more open and complex set of rules - and no one knows them all.

While everything is going to be gamed - Hive is a community of game changers.

Taraz
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I especially like the final part of your little essay:

It is easy to criticize other people's system development and architecture, but remember that our own behaviors and voting patterns are a system and part of the larger system too and how we act, matters.

True that. We should focus on being an example ( instead of pressure others to change )

the ones who benefit the most should be those who play to win by adding value to the community, not extracting from it.

Hear, hear. I do the best I can in my own little ways - it's awesome how many people I've been able to help ( all over the world ) in such a short amount of time, people that I'm actually connecting with, since I entered this community. Love it!

While everything is going to be gamed - Hive is a community of game changers.

Can I hang that quote on my bed room wall? ;<)

Keep up the good work! ✨

We should focus on being an example

Perhaps we are all examples - just not necessarily good ones :)

it's awesome how many people I've been able to help ( all over the world ) in such a short amount of time, people that I'm actually connecting with, since I entered this community. Love it!

It is a good feeling and the tech is pretty cool that in so many ways, help can be directed to precisely where you want it to go.

Can I hang that quote on my bed room wall?

You are welcome to :D

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Thanks for the tip also!

Perhaps we are all examples - just not necessarily good ones :)

True that. I like to think though ( but perhaps that's just wishful thinking ) that most kids try to become a better version of their parents.

See you around! ✨

I hope they at least try to be a better version - sometimes, a completely different version is better - change the OS entirely :)

sometimes, a completely different version is better - change the OS entirely :)

Hahaha! You get it :<)

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I could do with a massage and will check the bedroom drawers :)

:D I am glad someone mentioned it.

What this means is that no matter the system created, there is always likely to be those who will look to use it in ways it was not designed to be used meaning - Ab-use - wrongly used.

If a tool serves a purpose, and is used in a manner not designed to be used, it is still a tool, it was used to accomplish a goal, such as the hammer breaking a skull. Should hammers be banned? Using the claw of the hammer to dig a shallow hole to plant a seed because that was the tool you had at hand, should it be banned because it was not used correctly or should you be punished for using it incorrectly and against it's design?

At the blockchain level, we are all bound by the code, but society has a far more open and complex set of rules - and no one knows them all.

Un-like walking life, there are people who know the code and rules of the block chain. Odds are that there is at least one person that can code around all the block chain code and get the results they want. Did they violate the code? or did they use the code to their advantage. Did they find a new use for the tools of the code? Like a hammer it can serve it's original designed purpose, it can be used to take life, and it can be used to start life.

This my point, using a tool for unintended purposes isn't right or wrong, it is just how it gets applied. I personally am one of the people who will make do with what is available, rather than buying a specific tool for the job. I find it part of my creative process to "fix" something with stuff that wasn't designed for that purpose. Everyone has used a knife as a screwdriver...

The blockchain workarounds are interesting as it is generally frowned upon to bypass the blockchain, even though that is essentially part of the code. Of course, there are more value adding actions than others.

I understood that, people get to wrapped up in "that is not designed for that" issues. Tools are tools if it get the job done it worked. More people need to figure that out, and not be so petty about using things in manners not designed to be used.

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I need practice remembering that above.

In regards to the ENGAGE, putting a number after, r.g !ENGAGE 20 will distribute that number of the tokens - without the number it will distribute 1 :)

See it has been awhile, I thought it was auto 25 with no number. So let me try and fix that, !ENGAGE 25. Thank you for that information now I know.

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I think abuse is inevitable. It is just human nature to have good and bad traits. Some users turn to being bad apples. Some do not. I believe we should encourage more of what we want, just like you said.

The medium is not going to change people, it will only reveal them in their nature. As they are in that precise moment. Maybe the same bad apple from a platform can be an angel on another one? Who knows, people are fickle. But I do believe that you can't pretend to be something you are not for too long. That is why in the end, a platform will retain the long term players on the long run. Quitters come and go, true players play the game. Just like in real life. The little difference is in the nuances. But the core is there, exposed for others to see. And that is good if you want to grow.

The human mind is inventive, especially when it is about fun.

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That is why in the end, a platform will retain the long term players on the long run. Quitters come and go, true players play the game. Just like in real life.

I think this is part of the problem with millennials today, as many do not have the staying power to make it through into even the mid-term - they expect to get what they want within a year, or they walk. They are going to do a lot of walking.

Yes. Walking. Where? Where is their strategy leading them? I don't blame walking, but I wonder about the destination. The same goes with running. Where?

No idea, but I think for many it is off an emotional cliff ;D

Ooooo this is such a good answer 👏

Gaming systems throughout life to better oneself happens, playing the game fairly is something to always keep in mind. Hurting someone deliberately like MLM builds should be avoided at all costs.

Each individual will decide for themselves what they feel to be fair an honest days work, some may straight out the blocks arrive to take without giving which is sad, not going to change... it is life!

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Gaming systems throughout life to better oneself happens, playing the game fairly is something to always keep in mind.

I agree, but what one deems "fair" by their standards, might be very abusive from another's. Ethics aren't uniform, which might be a good thing in many ways, but many don't seem to consider the ethical implications of their actions at all.

Each individual will decide for themselves what they feel to be fair an honest days work, some may straight out the blocks arrive to take without giving which is sad, not going to change... it is life!

An honest days work, in a world that encourages dishonesty is a challenge :D

Some people don't have much to offer for trade.

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I think rather than see the abuse and complain, we should aspire to grow our accounts and become a counterbalance to those who abuse the system. We can then reward good actors.

I’d also refrain from taking on a larger account. If you mess with the big kids you get pounded. There are plenty of rewards to go around, based on how much Hive is on the exchanges. We aren’t exactly fighting over scraps.

In short, we just mind our own business and keep stacking Hive.

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we should aspire to grow our accounts and become a counterbalance to those who abuse the system. We can then reward good actors.

Precisely. A lot of people don't understand this - or pretend not to. A lot of those who do the most complaining aren't the most supportive people themselves.

Most of the Hive on the exchanges has been on the exchanges for years (via Steem of course), 250M went out in the premine - only about a 100M has been through rewards since.

In short, we just mind our own business and keep stacking Hive.

Not a bad way to go - though I don't mind getting involved with the many discussions :)

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Ah, nuts. I meant minding your own business more literally, like Hive is our business and we should treat it as such rather than using it to complain about other users. 😜

People can do what they want with their account, granted. But, there is still plenty of opportunity without getting involved in the drama. Other than the need to use some creativity, Hive is very much a paint by numbers setup once you find an audience.

Other than the need to use some creativity, Hive is very much a paint by numbers setup once you find an audience.

It is segmentation based on interest perhaps. If you have a favourite author, they probably writes within a narrowish genre and play to their strengths. The audience gathers around the content and if a person is doing what they enjoy, they can explore that area more.

Is the Sizzler analogy still relevant these days? I guess the format must exist somewhere.

I find the volume of information to be in overload mode. Content for content's sake.
Do we really have time to digest what we already have?

A system that spews out more and more information. Rewarding people to provide a continuous stream.

Is the Sizzler analogy still relevant these days?

No idea if they exist at all, but there are plenty of chains similar globally, it is just that many will know Sizzler still - from movies. I don't live in the US - Americans don't know about much outside the US :D

Do we really have time to digest what we already have?

Not sure, but it depends how you consume. I was watching a guy at a table next to me on Instagram "like" about 30 posts in 30 seconds. What the fuck is the point of that consumption? Where is the value?

A system that spews out more and more information. Rewarding people to provide a continuous stream.

In time, people find the diet they like and narrow the stream to feed it.

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The law of unintended consequences rules us all. For that reason I view all changes at the blockchain level with skepticism. Extreme skepticism. I realize that they need to be made sometimes but...

I do think there needs to be protections and limits to abuse. Those limits should be at the User Interface level. I use one front end on hive almost exclusively but know that there are other places and options for me. I can freely discard a UI without any difficulty should the need or desire arise.

Means I vote with my wallet and my feet. I'm not physically or emotionally attached to any UI, only to the blockchain and with a recent example I'm not even under that constraint at a primary level.

Have you ever noticed that there is never enough bacon or shrimp at the buffet?

I think the changes are good as while they often break things, they also mix up the best strategies and make people explore more. Perhaps I can call it, Unwilling curiosity :)

The UI for some things will have a large effect, but many are very similar to each other, with a few enhancements either way. It will change in time though, as long as change keeps happening.

I'm not physically or emotionally attached to any UI, only to the blockchain and with a recent example I'm not even under that constraint at a primary level.

It is highly flexible in this regard - something that a centralized platform would avoid at all costs. They take the "captured audience" approach and tie people in by making sure that the cost of leaving is too high - leave and lose everything built.

Have you ever noticed that there is never enough bacon or shrimp at the buffet?

And that everything is creamy? The game plays both ways... ;D

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Hive and all the crypto space players bring to my mind one of the greatest commercial in history.

One thing with Apple, they make a good advert :)

Very nice post. I feel there should be ways to combat abusing the system by doing things like removing the self vote then probably giving room for you to vote new set of people. This might in turn lead to discovery of content of the new users ascend might help with retention of new users

downvoting is a big part of the balancing act

I know but the downvoting is currently being abused as there are a lot of battles going on in this community right now

There are always "battles" but most people don't get involved.

very true

There were always people who you know act smart or I use deferent tactics mean they hack thing in there way like you say massager turn in to something fun or just saying pleasure
That part of humanity
To make things go there way

The fact is that some people are better than others at some things - it can be a bitter pill to swallow for those who thought they could compete, but when opened to the marketplace - discover there are many better than themselves.

its like frog in a well

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I think it's about attracting right people to join the platform in the first place. I've seen wayyy too many people are promoting Hive like an easy money making tool. I don't really understand coding so I won't comment on that.

Those who abuse systems do so for many reasons, but they usually have those intentions right from the start. I've seen only a few users that changed their ways because of disappointment or frustration, more are more likely to just take a break than abuse the system. On the other hand a big opportunity may arise and some users change on the spot to benefit mostly themselves, but those kinds of opportunities tend to be too rare to really worry about.