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RE: SIMPLE QUESTION: When does a scientist cease being a scientist?

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The abscesses that kill typically have pain, high fevers, and other symptoms.

I had one that actually was in my gums not me teeth. My teeth were hurting really badly but it ended up being in my gums. The pain was just radiating. My teeth were actually fine.

I went for about two weeks of pain on that before I took some antibiotics and it went away. After that they of course wanted more appointments. I hadn't been to a dentist in over a decade. I generally don't need to.

I also already decided I'll have a tooth pulled before I get a root canal. That ends up being not particularly healthy to do (root canal) from what I've researched. I had one tooth pulled. Strangely the empty socket that needed to heal and have my gums heal over hurt less than the tooth did before it was pulled.

That's my teeth woes... one pulled tooth, and one abscessed gum and I am 50.

Though I don't eat a lot of sugary things, and I haven't touched alcohol or drugs and such since I was 16 and at that time I'd done so little that I'd been stoned from marijuana maybe 6 times, and I'd never been drunk or had a hangover.

Why mention that? I know many of those things can contribute to teeth problems. Perhaps that is why I haven't had many. I don't know.

Some of my children who haven't done those things either have had far more problems with teeth than I ever have.

It is possible the abscessed gum would have healed itself. After two weeks of pain and a slight fever all I know is after the antibiotics it went away almost immediately.

Anecdotal yes. Yet I also think people are quick to brush aside anecdotal evidence when it can still have relevance. It should not be taken as proof. Yet it can still be considered as potentially relevant.

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I'm not an anecdotal snob no, thats thos skeptics who spit on anecdotal but everything is anecdotal if you look at it. The scientist recording his results is giving us his anecdotal opinion of what they mean.
As I said before I never said antibiotics didn't 'work'. They just are not 'curing' they are just postponing. If you knew the pain meant something good was happening would you ride it through or manage it differently?
Remember the old adage, no pain no gain?

Exactly. Everything is anecdotal. Who is the authority that gets to decide when enough anecdotes have been collected that it can no longer be considered just anecdotal and thus dismissable?

I think if you put a white coat on they can call anecdotal-science

"But my piece of paper says..."

yeh right

If you knew the pain meant something good was happening would you ride it through or manage it differently?

Many times. I am loathe to go to the doctor, or dentists. (EDIT: Especially today. Don't want COVID tests, demands for vaccination, etc.)

I usually have been in pain for quite awhile before I go. I apparently have a pretty high pain threshold as well. I suspect 13 years of the gal bladder attacks has something to do with that.

What things did you try before going to the docs?

The first time it happened was sudden and out of nowhere and the pain was so bad there was absolutely no point where it was relieved and I went from curled up, standing up, lying down, and moved seeking a position of comfort while sweat beaded up and poored off of my body. I also was dry heaving due to the pain.

We lived over an hour from the nearest medical center. We went to the nearby medical center and they gave me vicodin, and some muscle relaxant and because I never take anything like that it knocked me out.

I woke up the next day feeling like I had a baseball sitting under my solar plexus.

They sent me to get some scans and such. Yet out of the years of going to see people it was only that final time 13 years later that they bothered doing a sonogram of the galbladder and saw all of the stones.

I didn't have an opportunity to do much.

I did stop taking in dairy because that seemed like a definite trigger but proved not to be the only one.


The only lull I got was for a little over 3 years. That was when my wife got fed up with the doctors and had me try peppermint oil pills, and I took some Glutamine powder every day mixed with water, juice, tea, etc. (anything as long as it was not carbonated)

I didn't drink coffee back then.

Once I started taking those things my attacks went away for over 3 years until the final major one so I will say the peppermint oil and glutamine powder seem to have been WAY more effective than anything the doctors were proscribing. EDIT: considering the stones though it appears it was just masking the problem. Those stones could have been there a long time.

If they'd been there a long time why suddenly the pain tho? It's kinda too late to be going over the woulda coulda shoulda's now tho. The deal is done, no more gall bladder. Yeh doctors suck. I had an ectopic pregnancy once and walked to the docs doubled over the whole way and he sent me home with anti-bloody-biotics!!! I washed rushed into emergancy 4 hours later almost dead from internal bleeding.

Yep. Authoritarianism of any kind tends to lead to these bad things. Whether they drape themselves in titles like Leader, Doctor, Professor, Teacher, Priest, Scientist, King, Queen, Master, Lord, Lady, Scientist, etc.

Being blinded by your own "expertise" often leads to disaster.

I would say being blinded by someone elses 'expertise' is where the danger lies. I used to plant stickers that said 'question authority' and that was a good 10-15 years ago.

All I can think is the stones had possibly been forming for awhile and it was only then that one got into a duct or something. That is the only explanation I have for why it suddenly hit me out of nowhere.

Ah yes that would make sense, so maybe your body was actually trying to eject the stone. Why would they not simply take out the stones instead of the whole organ? Butchers!!

If it was a few stones I could see them doing that. My gal bladder was enlarged enough by the time they took it out (recall this had been going on for 13 years) that they had to actually increase the size of the incision because my gal bladder was oversized due to the amount of stones in it.

I remember still thinking "Why didn't anyone do a sonogram on any single time I went to a hospital ER, medical center, or drove 4 hours to see a Specialist?"

I remember the specialist cost us $600 at a time we didn't have much money. Didn't have insurance. That was a huge expenditure for us that year.

He talked to me for less than hour, ordered some tests he'd contact me about, and diagnosed me with Irritable Bowl Syndrome.

Like I said my wife eventually became really pissed off...

I just wanted the pain to stop.