What's Your Highest?

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Part of the discussion I had with a friend today, ranged into my view of the future of crypto, where increasingly, people will see not only the value of owning decentralized currencies, but also how what they are actually doing is owning information itself. I talked about the "inevitability" of crypto due to the changing technologies and how the way we handle information itself, is going to be empowered both publicly, but also privately. For instance, with LLMs and internal generative AI engines, a company would be able to sort, recall and process a huge amount of their internal information, taking a lot of the legwork out of information management, whilst still maintaining security protocols.

I am not going to go deeply into this now though, because after us talking about these things as well as some pf the practical applications that we both understand quite well and, things like webs of trust that he doesn't know much about, he asked me an interesting question.

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What is my "sellout point"?

Prior to the more technical talk, we had been talking about a few other social topics and questions of morality. For example, how it would have been far easier for many in Germany to remain silent or to support the Nazi regime. Yet, there were also people who supported the resistance and risked their lives helping strangers.

Does everyone have a buy price?

I suspect so, but it is going to depend on individuals and individual conditions as to what that price might be. For instance, my friend brought up the introduction of a pharmaceutical company that introduced a painkiller, knowing it was highly addictive and would cause problems, but also knew they could make a lot of money from it. How much money is "enough" to offset the problems caused from addiction? In order to do this though, it took dozens of people to go along with it, so at what price did they sellout?

Is it role specific?

Perhaps the owners of the company would make billions, but that wouldn't be the same for the doctors in the laboratories, and they probably sold out for far less. Perhaps for hundreds of thousands, maybe even less than that.

How do they justify?

Well, there are lots of reasons why someone can make these decisions in life and it generally comes down to the more practical sides of life, where they might need to care for their family needs, or they want a larger house and car. They can lessen the moral impact of doing the "wrong" thing, by having strategies to make themselves feel better. For example, "while we know it will do harm, we also know it will help people too. So, with the profits, we intend to help those we harmed".

Best intentions without actions perhaps, but it can still help make the decision in the moment.

After being in social crypto for almost seven years, I have interacted with many, many people who have their own strategies on how they deal with the value, and their justification of their actions. There is the "the code allows it" approach where if there isn't a specific rule hardcoded to prevent a bad action, it is not a bad action. Or, there are the people who are "all in" on Hive, but after earning for years, still have next to none in their wallet. Regardless of what an individual does, each will justify their behavior to themselves and to others, if they are called to. This is just human behavior in action.

But, what I have found is that the majority of people "in crypto" are only in it until they are able to sell high enough to buy themselves a better position on the ladder, outside of crypto in the legacy economy. What that "high enough" is will depend on the individual, with it ranging from next to nothing all the way up to billions, depending on holdings. I think we all have a point where we would sell, even if we haven't done the precise price discovery on that yet.

If HIVE was to hit 20 dollars, how much would I sell, and how much would I hold?

Five million dollars is a lot of money!

But the challenge would be, that regardless if I was able to get that now, I still think that a crypto future is inevitable, so getting completely out of it would be folly. So how I see it these days, is that it is more of a process toward that future, which means that there is a progress line with the starting point in the traditional economy, the end point in a decentralized economy and at any given point in time, there is a percentage in both. Early on, all of it is in traditional, but the end goal is to have all of it in crypto.

This means that it is a journey of degrees, so for instance, if HIVE were to spike in the bullrun to between five and ten and I think it will fall again, I might be able to sell a chunk to pay of my mortgage in the traditional economy, use some to move into some stables and then keep some to secure the platform. As it falls, I would be able to use the stables to buy back in and during the bear, I will have "mortgage money" to buy in also. This means that come the next bull, I would hopefully have around the same amount of holdings, if not more.

As I see it with the future of crypto and decentralization in general, I think it is the right thing for us to aim toward for now. This means, that I have a moral imperative to work in that direction, if only to satisfy my own feelings. It might be the wrong thing to do and it might fail, but that is what happens sometimes - the right thing doesn't always win.

But, I also know that it is not going to happen overnight and it isn't going to be like flicking a switch, it is going to be a slow changeover process, with a lot of minds needing to be shifted, and a lot of tech built. It isn't an "all in" position, because there is no end at this point, just a pathway forward. All I can do is continue walking in the direction I believe to be right for myself, family and for the world - whether they follow or not.

I don't know what my "price" is, but I am confident in my belief that the world as we know it is not good enough for us. This means that even if crypto fails to be the change I think it could be, it doesn't mean that the status quo is the answer, it just means that the search continues. Then, I would support that the best I can.

Eventually, we will either get it right. Or go extinct.
No matter what we do, the last is inevitable eventually.

Everything ends.

Everything started.

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]



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I've always thought the sell price conversation was interesting... because if the value of your crypto bags increases dramatically... then that also means those coins are now slightly less useful.

You'll never want to buy anything with your crypto because as soon as you do you lock in that price... and if it keeps going up then you overpaid.

You won't want to cash out to fiat either because it's a inferior technology which is the whole reason your crypto bags increased in the first place, so you're essentially going backwards.

Obviously those theories ignore the constant volatility, but even the volatility makes crypto both useful and not useful.

I think my general process is to accumulate what can I afford to (in either monetary terms or time) while still earning fiat... and then eventually if/when I retire I'm able to keep myself alive with my crypto bags, savings, investments and super.

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You'll never want to buy anything with your crypto because as soon as you do you lock in that price... and if it keeps going up then you overpaid.

I have some pretty extreme versions of this happening, where in less than 48 hours, people have paid 3x what they would have had they waited. But, I think with these things it is the "am I happy to pay this now?" question.

I think my general process is to accumulate what can I afford to (in either monetary terms or time) while still earning fiat... and then eventually if/when I retire I'm able to keep myself alive with my crypto bags, savings, investments and super.

This has been my process up to now, hoping that the When I retire bit is possible then. However, with recent events, I am also thinking that it might be worth taking a bit and clearing debt, then living a normal fiat life, pushing more into crypto as possible.

At some point, most businesses will be building with a foot in each, so there are new opportunities for investments too.

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Yeah, I remember a guy on Steem who sold a bunch and bought a van... and then was annoyed a year or so later because the price was so much higher... but... sometimes its hard to put a price on the opportunities that purchase provided, was his life/business improved by having his own van? A question only he can answer, but price shouldn't be the only factor.

Honestly, I'm all for clearing debt as early as possible... it's not just the accumulating interest, but peace of mind and additional opportunities are also important, especially in times of uncertain futures (recession, interest rate rises, extreme weather events, etc).

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Maybe when using some tokens to buy that have taken effort to earn, we think about what we are going to spend them on more. Perhaps we make better buying decisions?

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I think the skill learned from building computers works here. Just get what you can get and be happy with it til you need to get/replace again because there is always something better on the horizon and if you keep holding off for the better thing you'll be waiting forever XD

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That's a really good point... of course the other side of that argument is that if you do wait forever to spend your crypto it might be worth more.... or less... who knows... but hopefully the general trend of years/decades is upwards.

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But that was exactly the point XD if you're waiting for a better price you're going to be waiting forever, it's always going to better or worse. Sometimes you just have to go for good enough at the time and then try again later.

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No Man, when hive come to $3.00 i Sell this Is my point to Sell i am not a wait to $20 this Is very long Time by the way if i could get hive until $20 i do.

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It is up to each of us to decide what is right for us :)

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If HIVE was to hit 20 dollars, how much would I sell, and how much would I hold?

I guess it might depend in part whether it was a rapid spike or the new normal. If it was going sideways at 20 dollars like it has done at 30 cents, there’d be no pressing need to power down. It would be easy enough to do some delegations that earned liquid HIVE. Sell that “interest” and not even touch the HP “principal”.

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20 sideways and it is living off curation for me! :D

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They say the road to hell is paved by good intentions.
I hope it is not so with cryptocurrencies 🙏.


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what about the road paved with bad intentions?

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I wouldn't sell all of my hive at that price. It would be like killing the golden goose. I already know I am going to have a hard time powering down when the day comes. Just because I have never done it. Even if I am planning on buying back in, it will still be hard.

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Even if I am planning on buying back in, it will still be hard.

Yes. I am trying to mentally brace myself for this.
And at that price, there is the curation potential....

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No kidding. I was thinking about it last night and it would be nuts. Looks like it's a great time to sell HBD for Hive this morning. Hive at .26 and HBD busting the cap at $1.18.

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"while we know it will do harm, we also know it will help people too. So, with the profits, we intend to help those we harmed"

With this mentality, it will all go up in smoke or get drowned out by rain. This trickle-down mentality never works. It was the biggest con to start the 1980s with Reagan and things have gotten steadily worse for the middle ever since.

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The only thing that seems to trickle down is the corruption.

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At $1-2, I'll trade 90% of HIVE for HBD and wait for the next bear market.

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I am hoping that 1-2 will be the base ;D

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if HIVE were to spike in the bullrun to between five and ten and I think it will fall again

I think that would happen,the thing is when. I feel upto end of 2024, that is less likely to happen. I think a good price would make things easier to sell and also lot of people selling at the same time would give wrong signals in the market. That's why we want regular spiked before a big price can be seen. I remember during the 2021, there was one such spike.

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2021 saw a spike, so did the end of 2018. End of 2024 looks like the next one that might be a move for a larger in 2025. I am not good at this though.

In between however, there is still a lot of opportunity, without it going near an ATH.

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If HIVE was to hit 20 dollars, how much would I sell, and how much would I hold?

I think I would sell around 1000+ hive. 20k would be a nice sum to have and I would still have enough stake. I would not want to sell too much because then I would risk spending too much. Spending is easy. But I would rather not waste those years that took me to gather that stake. Besides I am optimistic or try to be. If hive would reach 20 it could also reach 50 or 100.

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Spending is easy, when it feels like it was easy to earn. A lot of people see Hive as "free money" but I see it as a lot of work.

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It's a tough argument but at some point, I think people will just take the price. We never know when the prices will drop either. So I think it's a good idea to take some profits and buy back in lower. If it doesn't, then I still think the funds could help if it can help you become financially free. I just don't know what that number will be though.

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Financially free until when though? The next global financial crisis? This is the tricky thing now - the traditional economy is collapsing.

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Even if the economy collapses, I think it will still have value and it will take decades for things to collapse.

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Well, Hive at 20$ would mean much money for a lot of people. Even for me :D considered that by the time Hive will reach that amount we would have gathered even more.

To be honest, I think I would liquidate a small part. Many people would liquidate ALLLOOTTT, so the price drops, many enters again and the trend may start again with more and more users onboarded thanks to new money available for events and initiatives Hive-branded

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Only one person ever sells the absolute top, right? A twenty spike and a drop back to a 2 dollar base would be alright though :)

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Well, potentially there can be more than one selling at the top if they sell at the same exact price and there is enough volume from buyers to execute them both :D

And yes, those spikes would be much helpful to accumulate ;)

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What I want for Crypto to achieve (Hive in particular) is to achieve a sort of a blue chip company status. A crypto asset thats been established, less volatile and has steady growth. If that gets to be achieved then I dont think i will have a specific sell price as i can pretty much sell whenever I want.

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Ideally, I would like to earn off curation, but not have to use it all, so then I can keep my account growing steadily. That is a bit of a far off dream at the moment though.

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Well, everyone here has a target or what price they want to sell their Hive but I'd just wait till it gets to $2 so I can sell some because I'm sure that I would have had so much Hive by then
Then, I may sell some other time when the price goes up and up again

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Two dollars could happen in the space of two weeks, or less, depending on the markets :)

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This means that it is a journey of degrees, so for instance, if HIVE were to spike in the bullrun to between five and ten and I think it will fall again, I might be able to sell a chunk to pay of my mortgage in the traditional economy, use some to move into some stables and then keep some to secure the platform. As it falls, I would be able to use the stables to buy back in and during the bear, I will have "mortgage money" to buy in also. This means that come the next bull, I would hopefully have around the same amount of holdings, if not more.

This sounds really wise and probably a great strategy to adopt. We can't always time the market and be 100% all the time, just have to make the best sound decision when the moment arrive and have a plan as reference when it comes 😊

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Timing the market is too hard for me - I just keep stacking what I can and crossing fingers for "one day" :D

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Hahah yeah I'm the worst at timing the market. Never seems to work for me no matter how much I "study" for it 😅

I should just DCA and keep stacking like you do...

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This topic reminds me of a common phrase in stocks: "Sell when happy". Of course, there are a lot of other tips on when to sell. Those who use technical analysis can use trailing stops. As long as the price is increasing, adjust your stop accordingly. Once it gets hit, sell.

Since I just want a simple life, my price isn't that high. I just want to be able to retire, not worry about my day to day, as well as if I get sick. As for the actual price, I don't actually know. But your 5 million USD doesn't sound bad. The only problem for me now is to get more crypto to even have a chance of that.

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This topic reminds me of a common phrase in stocks: "Sell when happy".

It is also "buy when happy" :)

With the inflation rate, I am not sure 5 million would even be enough til the end of life! (Okay, it would be...) :)

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It is also "buy when happy"

Interesting. I haven't heard this one much. A lot of buying phrases I've heard are based on technical analysis, or if it hit a specific target [Buy on BO, buy on golden cross, buy on zeus strike, etc.]. I guess it's because buying stocks tends to be more important than selling most of the time when going Long.

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