Undermined and Bleeding
Just the other day I was writing how much value is tied into a handful of companies in the S&P 500. This makes the S&P 500 index far riskier than people realize, because 38% of the total value comes from the top 10 companies, which is incredible when you consider how many well-known huge companies are in that entire list.
But, something interesting happened today.
That is about 500 billion wiped off of Nvidia alone.
The reason for this is due the quiet release of DeepSeek, a Chinese LLM that is making some waves in the news, because unlike all of the predecessors, the claims are the latest version took 55 days to train and cost a pittance of 5.6 million, compared to the billions that the others have cost that has warranted them to charge enormous amounts for their usage, and has driven Nvidia stock through the roof in the last couple years, because they make the best specialised processors for the job.
But, those chips aren't available to be sold to China, due to "US national security".
Blame it on the Rain
So, if this isn't a Milli Vanilli-esque smoke and mirrors situation, it would appear that a company founded about a year and a half ago, has developed and undercut the big boys by a long way. For instance, the cost of a monthly license for ChatGPT is $30 a month, but DeepSeek is looking at 50c a month for access. That is about 1.6% of the cost. If this is the case, and this is only the first stage of progression, the stranglehold that the US has on the artificial intelligence sector at the moment, isn't just loosened, it is blown apart.
Not because of the cost of access to the consumer, but because all the companies that are currently looking to build use cases and integrate AI into their daily routines, have a far cheaper alternative. And, the companies that have been utilising the current available models from OpenAI and the like, now have an alternative development platform that is far, far, far cheaper. This does a couple things, because lowering the cost gives more companies access to develop, and they can also offer what they develop at a far lower price point, and they don't have to wait long to get an ROI, because the initial costs are so low.
This also opens the floor for far wider experimentation, which will lead to an increase in the innovation, which of course leads to more competition, and increased fracturing of the marketplace. This undermines the established players, and makes room on the shelf for competitors to chip away at the market share, splintering it.
Microsoft was planning on spending something like 70 billion and Meta 50 billion on AI development in 2025 alone, but is that still going to happen, as much of that would have gone to Nvidia. Will they be able to use offers like DeepSeek for their development, or will it be banned by the US government? Or, will they just create their own offering using a similar process as DeepSeek?
The Fight for AI
The reason that there is so much being spent on AI is because there is so much to be made from it, including control over the masses - the biggest prize perhaps. In a world where information is the most valuable commodity, the ability to gather, collate and now make informed sense from it in moments, makes it a weapon. And as we know about how governments and corporations work, it is a weapons race to keep on ramping up to be both a deterrent, and a tool of aggression and control.
So much conversation is had around AI, but the fact is that the majority of the development isn't being done on things that actually help us as a society, they are spent on ways to control and extract value from us instead. The value of data itself isn't in the data, it is in the scarcity of access to the amounts that those few companies at the top. With their APIs sunk into the internet, they leech off our activity, recording, compiling and selling our digital profile to the highest bidder, and using it to target and manipulate us for whatever cause maximises their profit margins.
Perhaps, if all that information was available for all, and with the help of AI, niche developers who want to actually do something useful, can have the opportunity to develop and innovate also. The global conglomerates aren't interested in solving local problems, because they are looking to make their money by scraping through the billions - but locals are willing to build locally, because they are affected by the problems too.
Innovated Out
all technologies will eventually be superseded and replaced, but what is interesting in the tech field is that the lifecycle might be getting increasingly short, because the tools are getting more efficient and effective. The costs come down, more people have access, new versions are created, some die, some thrive, and the evolution continues.
There is obviously a lot of fear mongering that is going to be generated by this, because it is a Chinese company, but there is an inevitability with it all anyway. Eventually, some team is going to find a creative solution to a costly problem, and will make an impact on the market. And then, they will be undercut again. What is interesting with all of this is that the cost of living should be getting cheaper with all this technology, not more expensive. But, that is part of the scheme, isn't it?
One way or another....
User pays.
Taraz
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Today I wasn't aware of the tech news, or crypto/financial related news... It is a impressive move for a company that it's planning to take the lead in the technological advance in AI, and using resources far more efficiently then the predecessors.
It is going to make for an interesting news cycle.
I am sure US, especially under Trump will consider this a national security issue and will ban it's use by US entities. Also, considering this is China do we know if these claims are true... This could have been a front and a nice story for the heaving lifting done by the China government funded entities prior to the start of their model training...
Who knows! Hence the Milli Vanilli reference :)
What is true though, is that the handful of companies that control 90% of the market or more, aren't going to do us any favours.
Do we know if anyone has actually verified the claims yet though. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it seems like there needs to be some pretty stringent tests to make sure it isn't just smoke and mirrors. I haven't read too much about it myself other than seeing the headlines about it happening.
No idea yet. Perhaps they just shorted Nvidia for the day.
Though, this was released last week, but the Trump things have taken all the bandwidth in the news.
Marky just wrote a good post about it. It seems legit.
I see others are thinking along the same lines. It is cheaper, it is faster, but then, is Chinese. Security risk and so. Unless they make it open source somehow. Still, I am sure others started already to study and reverse engineer it.
It won't take long - they can use AI ;D
But in the end this is good for us, the users.
I dream about my AI, who can negociate with the other AI, you know, like the ones that manage consumer servicing. I let mine to talk with the Internet provider one, or tax one, and just send me a resume in email with the result.
Any move away from centralization is better. 6 companies are better than 5, 7 are better again...
Guau this is a great moment to invest in Nvidia, but mmmm maybe not is prefer invest in hive our better jewelry.
IA is a problem right now I think people spend lot of time in this and I prefer my skills
I heard about DeepSeek open source LLM from my Chinese boss (I am working in Skyworth, a Chinese Tech Company) a few months ago a he tells me it's going to be big. Yeah, it's Chinese we don't know what's inside but they claim it as an open source, so we have to wait for the critic audit.
While for AI, they're here to stay, in my opinion we will not get rid of it. Yeah, reliable information is a new weapon of nowadays, it's a new gold mine too. So, why fight AI, why just learn to live along with the AI. However, I am worried with this DeepSeek thing, as I mention earlier it's Chinese and the Chinese government is a notorious for everything.
And finally, all the company has one thing in common, user still need to pay for an access. Hope there will be a free version.
I feel it's another propaganda. It can answer most of the things, but when you ask anything about China, it just says doesn't know...
AI is inevitable and I have been using it for some heavy lifting and idea starting. I do resent the fact that they are controlled by megacorporation that is giving it away free like drugs at the playground.
With this new development, and the fact they are releasing it as open source softens the fact it is coming from China. That and the fact it is a disruptor of the big companies and will hopefully help with the decentralization of it all.
Cautious optimism is how I am handling the news and watching for that worm to turn.
It is clear that the US is blocking companies and organizations of Chinese origin. These companies have to do better to overcome the difficulties. In fact, this will be against the US in the long run. After a while, those companies will become so resistant that the US will not be able to cope with them.
I was planning to invest in a fund that has the stocks of those companies, but somehow I wanted to wait for a while after Trump had taken the office. Good that I did so :)
My quick take was that people overreacted. But with solid gains over the past few months/years, I guess it's natural some people will scramble to lock in profit and adopt a wait and see approach. I did nothing though, to me, volatility is just part and parcel of the markets I guess.
I read about the advent of the DEEPSEEK in @edicted post a few days ago. China likes trying something out to take over the world. But is it just a mere competition with the US policies or will it actually survive the test of time. Well we are here we will observe how it goes
I hope this is just a correction and not a market reversal. This kind of news alone cannot turn the markets around.
sounds like we, the people, are the winners here.. cheap access to AI.. and its also good to have competition in the market.. don't let NVDIA just sit as king.. :P