How am I Supposed to Do that?

You know that feeling when you throw on a pair of jeans, put your hand in your pocket and find a twenty, or a fifty? It is a good feeling, isn't it? I just had something similar, except I wasn't with my hand in my pocket, but rather looking through my Metamask wallets. And I didn't find a twenty, or even a fifty - I found some Ethereum. And, it was a bit more than what I would carry in cash. It isn't going to change my world, but it might come in handy if I need to extend the time of survival.

Since finding out I would lose my employed work and there was nothing I could do about it, I had to step back and see what I could control. The loss of the job was outside of my control, but the ability to negotiate the severance was something I could influence. And, the only thing in my control was my behavior. So rather than get emotional and do nothing, I chose to negotiate instead.

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I knew there wasn't much to work with, but I decided to use a technique I recently learned about with a question, "how am I supposed to do that?" from a book called, Never Split the Difference, by Chriss Voss. The general idea of the question is to put my problem-solving hat on the head of the other party, in this case, a member of the HR department and someone I like a lot and respect deeply. However, I am also trying to survive in my life, and it isn't their money, it is the company's.

So, the first offer came in through my supervisor, as I was told I would lose my job and a severance would be offered. After the call and due to its mostly unexpected nature, I was shaken, with that pit of failure in my stomach. However, after a couple hours, I decided to make a move and set something up with HR for the following day. When I spoke with them, I reiterated their requirements and desire to wrap this up quickly and not go into formal negotiations. I explained my situation and the disappointment, and what I expect is going to be the challenges of the near future. I then repeated the offer and asked,

How am I supposed to do that?

After a little conversation as they offered other incentives, they went away to see what they could do. A few hours later, I got another offer sent to me, with some more attached to the severance, and I had the weekend to think it over, with a meeting on Monday morning to give my decision. However, I said that due to the people I will need to talk to (lawyer, unemployment fund, social services), I would need more time to get more information and consider options. So the meeting was pushed to Tuesday morning.

On Monday, I set another meeting with the HR person and thanked them for considering my situation and rallying more for me. I also mentioned that I was hoping that it would be a bit higher, because then I would have just signed it, but unfortunately, now that I have more clarity on what lays in front and the timing, I really have to consider if I can sign because,

How am I supposed to do that?

The next morning, I had a remote meeting with HR and my supervisor, and the contract hadn't changed. However, as we were talking, I again repeated their best interest, and that while I am disappointed in the situation, I have come to terms with it and would like to just move on quickly as well. But,

How am I supposed to do that?

And, after a little more discussion, they extended it a little further, plus I was able to get the incentives that were discussed earlier. I signed minutes later. All in all, it means I extended the severance amount by almost 50% plus the extras. Now, while that sounds "great" it still sucks. However, what it does do is buy me time and postpones some other challenges a little longer, so that I have a bit more time to build my business again. There are no guarantees that I will be able to, but I have to try. If I am able to pull it off, then I think that the people I have negotiated with, will be satisfied they did the right thing.

Money is just a tool.

I made clear that the negotiation was not about money, it was about buying time. The other incentives they offered didn't do that, which meant that they are relatively worthless to me, unless I also have the time to go along with them. I like money, I need money, but it is not something that I want to spend time thinking too much about, even though it is a necessity to spend some time thinking about it.

Having enough means not having to think much about it. Not having enough means to constantly have to think about it. In the near future, I won't have enough.

While I am disappointed, and I know it is going to be a massive struggle in the coming months, I am happy with myself that rather than just folding and acting as if what is happening is all out of my control, I acted instead. I stepped back, and looked at what I could influence, and then what it would take to influence. I am not a great negotiator by nature, so I am also happy that I was able to put to good use the audiobook I listened to less than a month ago. I couldn't remember all the points, but I was able to apply enough to get something more than I would have otherwise.

This is a good use of consumption.

The little bit extra is a win, but the real win is that I was able to change a negative habitual behavior, and insert a positive attempt for a better outcome. That might not sound like much to you, but it is a great deal for me. And right now, I need a few wins.

I wonder if I have any other "lost" wallets?

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]

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Nice negotiation! I would guess that most situations in USA when there is a reduction of force negotiation would net absolutely nothing... Though I have never been laid off so I don't really know what I am talking about. Once when I quit myself on the exit interview they tried to offer me stuff to keep me around, but I still left.

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Finland and Europe in general has much stronger labor protections than the US. This particular thing wouldn't work there in the same company - people are just fired. However, if they were to fire me, they would have had to enter into a formal process, and since this wasn't performance related, it would have meant quite lot of work, and expensive. If I was on a Performance improvement plan (PIP) or had multiple written warnings (I have never had either), then it would have been far easier to get rid of me.

The formal process is time-consuming, expensive and potentially very awkward for the company brand, as well as very bad for morale, so they want to avoid it. If they can't get enough people to accept the offer, they might still have to do it next year I suppose.

What would they have had to offer for you to stay?

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They offered me me just a pay raise, but I was looking for a pay raise AND more security. My son was very young at the time so I was looking for a stable job and it was right around Dot Com bust...

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I get that. The irony of this job is that I took it for security, as being a sole proprietor was very up and down. I guess that it did allow me the opportunity to get into a house for now though.

Not much security in employment these days.

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I worked for Fujitsu Consulting at the time. When I resigned our office was down from over 400 to under 100 in less than a year. I was very concerned that I might get laid off after my project ends.

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I have done a little work for Fujitsu in the past, but not as an employee. Tech businesses seem to have issues forecasting.

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I deeply understand that in this life no one is indispensable, except for our own family. What has to happen, will happen, and when one door closes, many others always open. We must become fishers of opportunities, adapting and looking for new possibilities, rather than clinging to the idea of lifetime positions. This approach allows us to grow, learn and find unexpected paths that can lead to great achievements and satisfaction.

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No one is indispensable, because nothing really matters. Even to our own family, time will move on.

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You are good, all I planned is a second job through agency, where I do minimum, but I can up it through full time the moment I lose my actual job, as I search for something adequate.

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I might have to look at an agency at some point.

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In UK is good, as with an agency you can say what days you want to work, and they tell you where to go. I plan to only work 2 days a month with the agency for now, as I got a full time job. But you never know the future.

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Isn’t Chris Voss the hostage negotiator? If that’s the guy, I really liked his discussion he had on a podcast, jordan Peterson I believe it was. Dude is sharp!

I’m glad you went and asked for it. It’s really important that we ask for things because what’s the worst they can say? No? In the times we live in, it’s important that we think for ourselves in these things not for the companies or our former colleagues.

That sucks about your job though man. Are they automating what you were doing or something? I think I remember you were in enablement which is really important.. but these things are often half baked ideas and they regret it later.

Hopefully you can build that other business up, because it’s also great to have something going on the side as much as we can!

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Isn’t Chris Voss the hostage negotiator?

Yep, that is the one.

what’s the worst they can say? No?

I figure, they aren't going to give me my job back :)

Are they automating what you were doing or something?

Nope, not yet. Though, some parts of the area will be automated, even though it won't get a good result for a while at least. It isn't about the results though, it is about profits.

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I am currently wrestling with the decision to retire much sooner than I expected. My health issues kept me from working since last year. Long term disability receipts will only go so far.
Good that you got 50% more than you started out with, buying a little extra time to plan your strategy is so much better than making a hasty decision in a pinch.

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What happens if you retire early where you are?

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My Canada Public Pension subtracts 0.5% for every month from my maximum I retire early before age 65 to a floor of about $607CAD, not really much anyway in one of the most expensive and highest taxed cities to live in. My Defined Benefit pension is similar in the early retirement penalty but it's more well managed and would have better perks, and my own retirement savings plan will have to fill the gap plus savings. I have a rental giving me a decent passive income. My home is now mortgage free. The big question is inflation. I may have to peruse a career in Pizza delivery.
!PIZZA

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Well we should have a selective behaviour upon which we will be able to manipulate money by the need imposed to us by the outside environment. We have personally far to diversified options to collect and consume money and that's one of our unique traits.
But how they will be used, its a philosophically feathered question, since most of our goals and aims are different

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That is the first win.
The second one relax and be positive to start rebuilding your business to avoid struggling.
Whishing you the best.

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Yep. My plan is to take a couple weeks to get the house and tech stack in order first. Set a good foundation to build on.

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but rather looking through my Metamask wallets. And I didn't find a twenty, or even a fifty - I found some Ethereum.

From what I remember my dad had a small box with coin collection. I tried to find it multiple times after his death but was not successful. I wonder what those coins would be worth now. Perhaps it would be the same as with his post stamps collection- worth much less than I expected. Or perhaps it would be worth thousands... Well I guess it doesn't matter because I can't find the damn box anyway.

Congrats on your findings and successful negotiation. Hive is climbing up. Perhaps it will reach a few dollars by the end of the year and your problems will be more or less solved...

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Do you hold out hope the box will turn up at some point and it will be worth something substantial?

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At this point no longer. But it still annoys me that I can't find it.

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This summer I looked into an old Ethereum wallet where I had NFTs in 2021. I was pleasantly surprised that I had 3 NFT sales in a year, which is about 2 times the average salary in my country.

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I have lost many a wallet. The one that still smarts though is that bloody steemhunt.

You are a sound guy. It's frightening but I think you will be all over what happens like a Labrador on a bacon sandwich

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Steemhunt screwed me over too. I think it was around 120K worth....

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Yeah, I had a giant stack. Sob

Can't win them all! 😃

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I had a metamask wallet liek that a bit ago. I had totally forgotten about it and I found some funds in it. Then I moved them and ended up taking a nice gain. That's good that you didn't just accept the first offer. I probably would have because I suck at negotiating and when someone tells me they tried the hardest the could on something, I genuinely want to believe them.

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and when someone tells me they tried the hardest the could on something, I genuinely want to believe them.

This is my issue normally too. I assume the best from people, unless I know otherwise. In this case, I didn't expect the worst from the person, but decided to factor in their company rules instead.

Surprise gains are great gains!

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I'm glad to know I am not alone in my optimism.

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Is there anyone else who was laid off? It is not a good situation for an employee, and has potential to affect his/her self-confidence adversely. I hope you will find a better job soon.

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Is there anyone else who was laid off?

Yes, but unsure how many yet. Will know by the end of the week I guess.

and has potential to affect his/her self-confidence adversely.

It definitely affects mine.

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Yay for finding a lost wallet and being able to apply a recently learned technique to negotiate some better terms! Much less yay about the situation that required applying the technique :S

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