Distributed Conspiracy

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Back in the day when we couldn't read, the challenge was that those who could would use information to take advantage of us, by pretending that what they read contained magical secrets, and we had to just believe them. As a result, they were able to exercise control over our actions, by dictating what we should believe.

One of the challenges we face as individuals today is in the opposite vein, with the sheer amount of information that we are bombarded with so high, we just can't read it all, can't absorb it, can't verify and validate it. And we can't know if the source of the information is trustworthy, if it has rigor behind the collection, or if there are hidden agendas. As a result, the information landscape is a mess. It has become a junkyard of epic informational proportions, in a culture that is encouraged to believe whatever makes us feel good, whether it is right, wrong, real or fantasy.

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Another control mechanism.

Just like ignorance can be leveraged, information overload can also be leveraged. It is like in those legal dramas, where the opposing legal team inundates the other with box after box of documents, in an attempt to hide crucial pieces of evidence. The time and resources it takes to go through it all, chase leads, and connect the dots, makes it almost impossible for a small team.

We are doing it as individuals.

So, what ends up happening is that we narrow our search, rely on the "feels good/ right" heuristic, and silo ourselves into informational buckets. And once we are there, we are able to connect up with "like minds" who have followed a similar path to ourselves to end up sharing the same informational bucket, or buckets as the case may be. But, it doesn't matter if they are like us in other ways, it just matters if in that narrow silo, they can support our way of thinking.

The problem is that as an individual, there is no way to get a clear, holistic view of what is right, and as a group, we get driven by groupthink and ramp each other up into more extreme perspectives. Not only this, there is the problem that we aren't trained to critically think through information, or vet our sources, which means that a lot of us end up trusting what feels right, from people who make us feel right, in a landscape of unknown people, who are getting their information from the same kinds of silos.

For an example of this, it is like following medical advice from strangers on the internet who claim that they know what is the right thing to do based on minimal information, in what can be very highly complex and varying situations. Look at all the people who cooked their phones in the microwave because someone on the internet told them it would charge it, and push that out to every human problem we face.

And, then consider that there are hidden agendas in pretty much all of this information. For instance, conspiracy theorists are largely ridiculed and perhaps they should be. Not because conspiracies don't exist, they do - but because the majority of them have zero direct experience with what they are talking about, but are just repeating and amplifying what they have heard from their "trusted resources" - strangers on the internet who make claims, essentially saying,

"trust me"

Now, what if that person or group sharing this information is purposely distributing poor quality information, information that is wrong. With the ability to identify those who interact with it, could be like a "honey trap" scenario - giving people what they want in order to lead them into doing something, supporting something, uncovering their belief system. Or collecting groups of people in order to bring them under "one banner" and then mobilize them, sending them into the streets, or into the internet to undermine an enemy.

Or just create informational chaos.

When there are too many choices, we end up making none, or choosing poorly, because we favor fast-thinking, low-research, feel-good decisions. We do what our intuition and experience says, and these are being informed by the information buckets we have been eating from, the silos. With no other way to organize the information and validate it, this is the best we can do. Especially since we don't have any time on our hands to do much else.

We have a building full of boxes, and the evidence is scattered and buried within.

While this has been a growing issue for a couple decades now, at some point a solution needs to be developed in how we can trust information in a trustless network. It is pretty obvious where the innovation should start, which also makes me suspicious, because it has remained a common person initiative, not driven by corporations and governments. These two groups have the most to lose from information hygiene and well-informed masses, because once that happens, they lose their ability to group and control us.

Talk to almost any conspiracy theorist and they will be adamant they are right, but query them on their information sources, and they will not be able to get back to the root. It is all hearsay, and as such, should be taken with a grain of salt, because even with best intentions, everyone has an agenda. And we live in a world that monetizes attention, and encourages people to get attention any way possible, even if what they portray, isn't close to the truth. Conspiracy theory content is just like that of Instagram influencers, there to capture eyes.

Belief is a control lever.

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]



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What is right? Is there a universal and objective criterion for determining what is good and what is bad, what is just and what is unjust, what is moral and what is immoral, or is it a relative and subjective question, depending on the context, culture, time, perspective and opinion of each individual and his or her environment?

Many philosophers, religionists, scientists, politicians and artists have tried to answer this question, offering different theories, principles, norms, values and examples of what they consider to be right. However, none of these answers has succeeded in convincing everyone, nor in resolving all the ethical dilemmas that arise in everyday life and history. On the contrary, many times these answers have been in conflict, generating debates, controversies, disagreements that have led to war.

Why is it so difficult to get a clear and holistic view of what is right? Perhaps because it is a complex and multidimensional issue, involving rational, emotional, social, cultural, historical, political, religious and aesthetic aspects. Perhaps because what is right for some may be wrong for others, and what is right in one situation may be wrong in another. Perhaps because what is right today may be wrong tomorrow, and what is right here may be wrong there. It is a distinctly individual→collective⇒culture view.

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What is right?

You are asking the wrong question. You should be asking yourself - what do I believe is right?

Do you think that you know that some things are right and some things are wrong? What are your beliefs and then ask yourself why you believe the way you do?

Why is it so difficult to get a clear and holistic view of what is right?

Again, should you have a holistic understanding of what is right and wrong for you? Probably - yet, I can almost guarantee that there are conflicts in your belief system, because we treat things independently, even if they are interdependent.

Believing you are right, doesn't make you so.

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Believing you are right, doesn't make you so.


It certainly applies to you, to me..., to everyone.

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Yet, how much time do we spend actually trying to work out what is right and wrong for us, and how much time do we surround ourselves with what makes us comfortable?

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This is kind of social engineering, and what is strange that they still can find supporters/fans.

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And superfans in all categories - extremists

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It's true that due to new technologies, we can gather news more quickly. However, as they say, with positive effects come negative ones. Some misuse these changes to manipulate people. Yet, it's up to us whether to believe it or not. We should be responsible in everything. There are many ways to verify if the news is true or just speculation – we can do background checks or look for multiple credible sources. I appreciate your current blog as it reflects the prevalent situation in our times. It's indeed challenging to discern the truth in what we see or read, yet, as I mentioned earlier, the responsibility lies with us.

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Yet, it's up to us whether to believe it or not. We should be responsible in everything.

But, we also can't sort or hold all the information, let alone cross-reference it and validate it.

There are many ways to verify if the news is true or just speculation – we can do background checks or look for multiple credible sources.

With the flood of information and speed of change, do you validate everything? Ultimately, because we don't, because one thing is wrong, we should assume that everything has a degree of wrongness to it. We should be terribly skeptical, but that also makes us incapable of making decisions.

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Dear @tarazkp !

I believe that ultimately trustworthy individuals and organizations should meet and exchange information!
I do not know who the individuals and groups who discover and provide reliable information among the overflow of information in the world are.
However, I think the most important thing is to meet them and establish a trusting relationship!

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No one knows who they are, which means in order to discover this, there needs to be a reliable system that can evaluate independently of the groups. Decentralized validation.

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which means in order to discover this, there needs to be a reliable system that can evaluate independently of the groups. Decentralized validation.

I agree with you!

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It is very true Much of the information we consume on the internet is not valuable between post videos news Tweets and memes we generate more information every week than the rest of humanity and much of what we see is junk information that does nothing to improve our lives whether we like it or not we live in the attention economy our most valuable resource is time and we only have a 24 hour reserve and the attention we give to one medium is attention that the other loses.

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An endless stream of trash passing through our conscious and unconscious, and yet we believe we are "unaffected" by it, because we feel that what we believe and do, is right.

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I'd like to believe that AI can help us sift through all these information. It can go through them and create a summary that we can use and understand. Granted that it still needs improvement, but it has a lot of potential.

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Yes, this is a good use of AI, but the AI has to be a bit different to what they are using now. For instance, the results of Gemini recently depicting for instance, German Soldiers in 1943, highlights the issues.

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Now, if a human represented Nazi soldiers this way, they would be cancelled.

The web of trust incorporating AI has to be more advanced than this, and more independent. Rather than using "public opinion skewed for social conformity" as its guiding algorithm.

The fails are quite interesting as to what they hint at, because what they hint at is exactly the silos in society I am talking about here :)

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results of Gemini

Of all the AI generative apps, you chose Gemini? They recently had a problem with it where it was forcing racial/woke images. Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, Ideogram, etc. don't have that problem. Gemini is relatively new compared to the others, so problems are expected. I remember how AI hands were so horrible a year ago, but now they can generate text to video.

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I chose it as an example of what the AIs are actually doing. The answers that they give (like ChatGPT) are amalgamations of what it discovers, not truth. It isn't vetted information, even if it sounds plausible. But, many people are using it as if it is true, which means it is influencing decisions still, without the user questioning it deeply.

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are amalgamations of what it discovers

The closer explanation would be, the data it is fed, and the programming it follows. If it is only fed incorrect data, then it will output wrong information. If it is programmed to focus on racial/woke results, then that will be put out. Like I said, Gemini is relatively new, so there are expected problems to its data/programming. Most of the big AI companies try to make their data accurate, or people won't use/pay for them.

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People are the ones creating the ideas AI spits out. Big companies house the people inside social networks where they work tirelessly generating new data nonstop. People will eventually pay to be told what they want to hear. So you have one network that leans this way and another that leans that way. People will eventually pay to hear their own thoughts and not even realize it, as they volunteer their time to create more, hoping to earn a little bit of ad revenue to cover the costs of hearing their own thoughts once AI explains it to them. They won't pay for the one they disagree with. Big companies know this.

Blockchain (Hive) solves this data dilemma. Can fill up the blockchain with every walk of life and all thoughts imaginable. Then AI can offer all ideas, telling you who thinks what, why, and how they came to those conclusions. The data can never change and it's all open to the public rather than being locked behind closed doors with someone at the helm making decisions.

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That is a good way to look at how AI can work better with the blockchain technology.

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It's been on my mind for awhile. Can also be transparent and show how it's vetting information making it a little more trustworthy since if you don't believe it, one can go look for themselves.

Can take a news story for instance, then take several more published instances of that same event and detect which portions are opinion, sensationalized, can come up with a profile of the author, can scan through comments and reactions. Then without bashing anyone it can sift through the noise and come to a conclusion based in reality. Can strip away the politics for instance while still acknowledging their existence. Seeks to be efficient so you get all sides to the story presented as one.

People will still prefer to go to the sources that effectively tell them what they want to hear though. So it won't change much in that regard. But the rest of the people that don't play into that stuff will finally have reliable sources, at least.

P.S. sorry for butting in. I just found your conversation with @tarazkp interesting and felt like adding to it.

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People will eventually pay to be told what they want to hear.

I think this has been happening for a while already. The algorithms of streaming platforms do this, where they generate lists of content that is easy to accept, but doesn't challenge in any way.

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That's true. It's blatantly obvious when you check out something like the independent news scene anywhere online really. Doesn't matter which team they're playing for either, it's all the same. Thousands of comments and nobody opposing it. If someone does, several come and shout them out of the room. Fans of information. I wrote about that on a couple of occasions.

The context of that quote above, I didn't word properly. What I meant was in the future people will be selecting which AI source is for them, pay for it, because it's trained to cater to their needs. There will be several options. Say there's only two teams, the basic left and right for example. Some of these corporations will sell both options. Then the people sit there and feed it and train it to be just like them. They've done such a good job of sorting people into piles like laundry as it is, so I expect that to be even more streamlined in the future with AI. And of course, nobody questions it.

That section of society. It boils down to money. It's a large group;a gold mine. Regardless of which side their on. But you can't make money telling people what they don't want to hear. It really is that simple of a business model.

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It’s always better to find out about an information before spreading it out. At the same time, it is always good to sometimes disregard some informations we get online cos some of them may be fake

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I assume the majority of it is fake in some way. :)

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We need some kind of rubric that we can plug the information in and see how legitimate it its. I don't see them ever allowing something like that though.

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Yep. A "confidence score" is how I look at it. It requires a huge amount of data and calculation, but in time it should become more accurate, as "untrusted" sources are weeded out, and trusted sources are constantly being evaluated.

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About human nature (we all conspire) and experiences and circumstances define us,

I think Mr. Taraz that many people need to read and write more, so that our moral ambiguity does the rest (decisions) and each reader and each generation interprets it in their own way.About everything that is hidden in times of uncertainty.

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If we all created more, we would get a better sense of what has value, and what doesn't - but we have been driven to consume more instead.

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I wish the avenue where information would be filtered to spread the right ones would be created. As far as no one control the flow of information, definitely, believe whatever you read at your own risk!!

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Every decision is at our own risk, whether we acknowledge it or not.

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