Breaker of chains

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With the inevitability of a fork onto a new chain arriving in leaps and bounds, I guess we should talk about what goes and what stays. There have been many chain splits in the past, but I have never really been part of one this directly before and my experience is back in what I think was 2017 when Bitcoin couldn't hold its shit together and got forked like 17 times.

Technically, I don't know much of what actually happens, but I am guessing that there is going to be a snapshot taken of some point which becomes the copy that becomes the new chain. I will assume that it is going to be a private person/group that is going to fork the chain, which means they can pick and choose what components they keep at a technical and content level.

I will assume that the Steemit Inc stake form will be vastly changed and it will either be completely omitted, or become a funding mechanism. When it comes to a new chain, it really is up to the developers what goes where, and that means at the point of creation, nothing belongs to anyone - but I will assume that at that instant, the majority of users will have their account credited similarly to what it is now.

However...

I wonder what could happen if for example the global blacklists were used to omit accounts from being credited, or the known automated accounts that were posting hundreds of times a day pre-Resource Credits were removed, does this lighten the chain?

What about more touchy areas, like those who have sided with the centralization of the chain? Yes, it is their STEEM, but on another chain, there is no STEEM. Perhaps rather than trying to decrease inflation through burnposts, a massive amount of traitorous tokens could just, never exist. At least, if they want to be part of the new future, they would have to buy-in.

Speaking of the inflation, there is obviously changes that can be made to the economics of Steem also. For example, Rather than the decreasing inflation rate, the pool inflation could be set at a steady 2% for example, and with significantly less tokens in the initial supply than there are today, that could make for quite a narrow tap nozzle. Rather than 26 million tokens coming out of the pool each year, there could be 5 million.

This might not sound like a lot, but if the idea is to try and make a valuable chain, perhaps it is a good way to create some initial scarcity and then additional liquidity through those who choose to dump their new coins. I wonder, if instead of putting it straight into Token Power, it was put into liquid wallets, how many would power up on the new chain?

Then there is the question of SMTs to consider, as they could near immediately be integrated and become the earner for new accounts, while the inflation pool was spread amongst STEEM holders who chose to power up on the new chain instead. Wasn't that the "sometime down the track" future anyway?

I think that this is something that should be considered when forking the Steem chain, as it is an opportunity to keep what is working well enough, and cut away what is not. Having the holders get staked as infrastructure investors from the start that are able to use that same stake to reward some SMTs might be a great way to distribute tokens.

As you can see, I am just rambling some words out as I do not know what is technically possible, nor what people will have the social constitution for. I know that since this clusterfuck was initiated by @ned a few long weeks ago, the community has had to raise some very interesting discussions whilst under siege. What I think has been clear though is, there are some opportunists who clearly do not care about the community.

For me, I do not like the feeling of being controlled by an authority, and definitely do not like being held for ransom by a small group of people who are doing all they can to get all they can, regardless of the damage it does to the others sharing the same space. The lucky thing with a forked chain is, it does no damage to them to not port them over to a new chain at all, as they keep everything they currently own.

There is a saying, you made your bed, now lie in it. There is another one that I like too, Lay with dogs, rise with fleas. I think there are a few who are curled up in bed with a dog at the moment. Getting itchy?

Anyway....

Enough of a ramble for now, but I do think that if the chain forks and the economics and mechanisms change to better empower the user base, it could be a pretty successful move. However I also think that it might be worth considering what gets taken and what gets left so that the initial start can skip a lot of unnecessary drama and focus on building the community, rather than repairing those who have proven untrustworthy.

As I keep saying, trust is important.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]

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I think the only certainty in the midst of all this craziness is that Steemit is going to change a lot in the near future.

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It really seems that a fork is on the cards. I hope that Binance and Houbi (or whatever it's called) will list the token immediately as a good will gesture to the people they screwed. I'll be going wherever the community goes with hopes for a better future for content creators and investors alike.
I am sure it is going to take a while to get to where we were before the Tron Virus invasion.

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I don't think huobi or binance care that much as the volumes are so low.

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I think this is a good community conversation to have because hopefully it attracts a diverse group to consider alternatives, what we want the new chain to look like and it gives people another chance to reconsider the consequences of their current and future actions. We are still salvageable but these discussions are helpful.

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Salvageable perhaps, but I am not going to put more money on it ;D

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That’s understandable. I have contemplated buying more before the snapshot to boost my position in Hive, but I started debating buying later after the airdrop to see what happens to the price. Do you think people who want to stay with Steem will dump their Hive to buy Steem?

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Do you think people who want to stay with Steem will dump their Hive to buy Steem?

If the past is an indicator, many will. However, how much out of the group will be large holders is a very open question, as many of the whales are all in on Hive.

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Speaking of the inflation, there is obviously changes that can be made to the economics of Steem also. For example, Rather than the decreasing inflation rate, the pool inflation could be set at a steady 2% for example, and with significantly less tokens in the initial supply than there are today, that could make for quite a narrow tap nozzle.

I'm afraid that from now on, we all are gonna have to fill an awful bunch of captchas to earn just a couple of satoshis as in the good old days of bitcoin. :D

Then there is the question of SMTs to consider

I suspect SMTs has been already left dead in the spot since Saint Valentine's Day Massacre.

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I suspect SMTs has been already left dead in the spot since Saint Valentine's Day Massacre.

Don't think so, as the core devs are still around as are some of the early devs who designed them.

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Oh yeah! I forgot there are a few members of the “Bugs” Moran’s North Side gang still alive and around. Let's see if they are still interested and willing to fill with existent snippet ammok of SMTs their coding machineguns for a reasonable fee.

Otherwise, we will have no choice but create from scratch and reload new Web 3.0 cartridges with @theoretical newish gunpowder.

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Gonna likely be more than that out there.

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I think many of us have also been thinking about the consequences of a chain split. There are so many open questions about the nature of the break, so many strategies to possibly implement in order to give the new creature the best possible chance to move forward.

It's really difficult to make decisions that are subjective regarding nullifying stakes that are identified to be traitorous and/or counter to the objectives of the whole, since it is not ever totally clear what the consensus of the whole even is. That being said, in doing something as drastic as splitting the chain, it would be best to perform the most extreme measures from the very beginning so that it sets a new "square one."

Like it or not, lots of baggage will come over to the new chain, but perhaps the major skeletons in the closet can be laid to rest if it is done wisely and carefully. I like the idea of reducing inflation way down; this combined with the burning or dedication of ninjamine stake towards development ought to increase the value-per-token quite a lot and incentivize creating SMTs to fill the role of minting coins more freely for various purposes.

Anyway, I have seen enough of the strength of core community here to know that most will not just roll over and die. A few billion dollars is nice, but a dedicated team and user-base is arguably worth much more than that because the potential there is exponential.

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Yep, I am just hoping that a lot of the baggage can be left behind and that the changes implemented are of the type that benefit holders to create a solid base to work from. Lt's see how it goes.

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There are no easy answers, especially since everyone wants their "stake" to go to the new chain but not everyone wants the problems that may come with every single account holding steem/steem power going there as well. Interesting times ahead for the steem chain and community. Big SP holders want to remain in charge here or on the new chain, not sure if that is or isn't a good thing.

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Well, I would say that anyone who voted in favor of centralizing a decentralized community is the kind of person that would do it again, given the opportunity of they thought it would make them a little money.

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Definitely! Those voters/accounts should (theoretically) be the easy ones to exclude if there is a new "chain" split off from the original. Im not so sure how this new chain will "deal with" or "account for" the multitude of accounts involved with or supportive of the various spam, vote-bot, vote-buying/selling/circles/farming, etc. schemes, starting from the very beginning that were all clearly profit driven. Besides that, I still remain optimistic that those who have genuinely invested their time, $ and energy into benefitting this community/experiment will do the right thing moving forward.
With prices the way they are I do wish I had enough confidence to actually be buying more Steem at this point, but the last time I bought when i thought prices were "great" was on feb 13th, of all days... Hopefully all we regret is not buying more at this time.

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I have bought some, I have sold some, I hold a fair bit too. It is hard to know what is the best course of action, so I do a bit of everything :D

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Given that scarcity (or the delusion thereof) is what causes most of the problems we abhor and want to stamp out, I'm not convinced we should keep rolling with scarcity models xD

We use some pretty nasty chemicals for fleas so perhaps we have bigger things to worry about? D: LoL xD (does it count as "sleeping with dogs" if the dog bed is directly next to your bed?) yes I know that's not what you meant

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Given that scarcity (or the delusion thereof) is what causes most of the problems we abhor and want to stamp out, I'm not convinced we should keep rolling with scarcity models xD

Steem scarcity, not token scarcity. One of the issues with SMTs is that no one wants to give up getting Steem. On a new chain, that can be the paradigm going in from the start.

Our dog has no fleas. It actually isn't really an issue in Finland - I think i tis the weather.

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oh my God, i missed those 2017 steemit days

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