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People vaccinated against influenza had a higher risk of getting it, a new study shows! #stem #medicine
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.01.30.25321421v3.full.pdf
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Not peer-reviewed.
Sounds about right. That's why I don't do current vaccines
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This is crazy. Something that was supposed to prevent disease is now causing people to contract it.
That's why more and more people are becoming skeptical about the effectiveness of vaccines.
I read it. Caveats...
This proves nothing about vaccines except in this limited case.
Fair enough. But the sample was not small (>50K) and it hints already that those yearly vaccines are more or less gambles.
For such a global multiyear health initiative that also costs a lot and binds tons of resources, the evidence that it works should be better very solid!
But there is a reality no one escapes ... what you see depends a lot on what you are looking for. Statistical samples in one population in one area when 350 million people live across 6,000,000 square miles are often misleading.
Then, they all work AT A CLINIC. Chances of being over-exposed compared to other populations: definitely present. Possibility that the vaccinated ones took more risks at holiday gatherings on top of that, thinking they were safe: definitely present.
What you see depends on what you are looking at. You are looking to support the conclusion you already have ... as someone who is trained to analyze data on a professional level, I'm hinting to you that you can't read the globe from the Cleveland Clinic...
I can´t indeed but I also don´t run and promote those vaccination campaigns. My point is that there is not solid data to support the 2024/2025 vaccine. Or can you show data that proof that the gamble worked out this season?
I cannot prove a gamble, nor would I try. My flu shot worked out well, and I can probably find 50,000 people in my locale who would say, on those terms, that theirs did too. But then again, I keep the seniors I care for in mind and would be low-risk on activities either way.
But the main thing to note here is that no matter what study I put up, that one will still not be good in order to infer what is happening in the global population. It's also a little early to have a good study. It is only April of 2025. A careful study will take months.
But science doesn´t work that way, you always have limited data. Question is, if it is OK to run a billion dollar business on limited data.
Let us assume for the sake of argument that you and I have very limited data, but the people who make these decisions have considerably more data than the study presented, worthy of a billion-dollar business. Peer-reviewed, well-situated double-blind sample sets do exist...
Let us also assume that Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem is correct, meaning everyone everywhere has a limited data set ... but perhaps there are researchers with more access and funding than us, or the Cleveland Clinic.
First read that you could vaccinate against influencers 😅
I think I need to go to sleep now
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Oh, indeed I had a typo, so you almost read right!