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needs more centralized censorship
Is that supposed to be a quote said by any of us?
If so then please provide evidence with screenshots of that quote proofing that we have said it.
You have once again nicely twisted mass plagiarism, farming, and spam on dBuzz that Hivewatchers have been dealing with on a daily basis into "censorship".
I have repeated this to you 4 times and I will repeat it for the 5th time. You confuse freedom of speech with freedom to scam and exploit the Hive ecosystem.
You know very well about mass abuse on dBuzz as you read all these posts/accounts and leave comments on these abuse posts/accounts.
This is not Steemit. Your app is just like scammy @dlike or @share2-steem. If you think that you can perpetuate mass.
You have been trying to impose your own rules on how it should things should work and have been repeatedly refusing to apply any changes to the app while playing fool the community and Hivewatchers.
We have suggested a lot of things such as minimum character input of 256 characters as mandatory and writing the guide in the app about plagiarism, etc. But, no you just like to have your spam & scam app be like it is.
We will not add a minimum character length as it would be less free than Web 2.0, and this is a Free Speech Dapp, not a @hivewatchers Dapp.
But your idea about writing a post against plagiarism is a good one, and I think I overlooked it.
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Your argument is nonsensical and ridiculous.
What does the minimum character input (of 256 characters) to prevent spam and junk posting have anything to do with someone expressing themselves freely... They can still express themselves freely.
And it would still not prevent mass plagiarism and scam that dbuzz incentivizes and enables.
But it would at least require the minimum effort in creating content. Just as ~Actifit has done for years.
You are also intentionally ignoring and allowing plagiarism/scam.
You know very well that these accounts and post spam with plagiarism or copypasta spam as you read these posts and spend time commenting on them.
I explained to you multiple times that wrote that it takes 2-3 seconds to perform the action of:
But you have refused to do so since dBuzz launched 12 months ago.
And if you have some issue with funding HW work, no one is stopping you from submitting your own proposal.
P.S. Good luck with getting along with your new buddy ctime/dicetime/mmmmkkkk311.
Well-known scammer and Steemit/Justin Sun shill who never did anything for Steemit and was just farming and exploiting it (besides being compulsive far-right racist, homophobe, and misogynist).
As a normal user I want to add my input: Having a minimum character limit won't remove spam and plagiarism, it will just make honest people want to share their points less...
I can understand your point about hive-farming, but shouldn't that be treated in case-to-case bases and not the platform as whole?
I agree with @logic in that Free Speech is not plagiarism & spam, but as far as I see, the spam in DBuzz is minimal and is only there by some accounts, and if those accounts were upvoted by @dbuzz account (which I think should be regulated more @chrisrice) hivewatchers option should be to blacklist those accounts, not the whole interface.
Well, these are just my thoughts... I hope MSPWaves thing happens if possible, the discussion will feel more official that way.
As a normal user I want to add my input: Having a minimum character limit won't remove spam and plagiarism, it will just make honest people want to share their points less...
I can understand your point about hive-farming, but shouldn't that be treated in case-to-case bases and not the platform as whole?
I agree with @logic in that Free Speech is not plagiarism & spam, but as far as I see, the spam in DBuzz is minimal and is only there by some accounts, and if those accounts were upvoted by @dbuzz account (which I think should be regulated more @chrisrice) hivewatchers option should be to blacklist those accounts, not the whole interface or its main account which clearly helps many honest people.
Well, these are just my thoughts... I hope MSPWaves thing happens if possible, the discussion will feel more official that way.
The full-time curator of @dbuzz is @iamraincrystal. @chrisrice said that he only oversees the job of other D.Buzz admins, he being the
ChiefHuman Resources Officer. Therefore, I think you should address your concerns to @iamraincrystal, who is assigned by @chrisrice to curate where she sees fit.Thanks for letting me know! Will refer to @iamraincrystal for this from now on!
@chrisrice is the main guy. He's overall in-charge. I'm sure it will be good if you course it through him 👍🏼👍🏼
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#GuiltyParties & @nathansenn have come to an agreement, or at least see things eye to eye @savvyplayer
I then offered to create a guide, with the help of @iamraincrystal, explaining how @dbuzz chooses what to curate (in general) , and I'll let GP review it before publishing
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I agree, the spam on D.Buzz is minimal, especially compared to other microblogging Dapps on other blockchains
I have found @iamraincrystal to be non-biased & impartial (more than most)
The only curating errors I've seen is w/images where it's unclear if it's the owner
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But it's impossible to curate every single Buzz completely perfectly
Nit picking each & every Buzz we curate isn't practical, but feedback still helps us improve
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The transcendental cat meme image looks like a good representation of those words. 🤨
Source: KnowYourMeme.com
@atma.love should see that. 👆
I strongly disagree w/your belief that #Spam is not Free Speech @ahmadmanga, since in general terms, it describes nuisance content that people don't like
And I am in favor of individuals choosing for themselves
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Hmmm, you're not completely wrong, but that's a harmful free speech... If D.Buzz. is totally okay with spam/plagiarism then I'm totally okay with Hive Watchers fighting our community.
Though I believe there is a middle ground... We just don't know where it is yet.
Me too, but people shouldn't be left alone after choosing harmful things... There's a reason laws against killing and drugs exist. Some bad things are harmful even for people who are doing them.
Now, I don't say this kind of Free Speech promoting is clearly wrong. I'm just saying that spam & plagiarism shouldn't be upvoted, and as much as we can we should help limit them.
There is a value in short-form content! I believe so!
I think the problem with Curation, and while I think we're doing a good job for now. I think DBuzz should be stricter with which buzzes they upvote. Like, allow short 3-80 characters posts but upvote them less, don't upvote one-image-no-text buzzes, (believe me, a short description can go a long way in making the post better.)
I'm okay with DBuzz allowing blacklisted spammers/plagiarizers posts to be viewed! I just don't want to let these copy/pasts farm HIVE. Too much of them, (an amount I don't currently see,) will harm HIVE as whole including DBuzz itself...
I'm not siding with Hivewatchers here, (a Downvote-war will just be lose-lose situation for both sides.) I'm talking about the value DBuzz could bring if Curation was a bit better.
What do you think? @chrisrice @savvyplayer @iamraincrystal @ond
By the way, I'm saying spam in this comment, but not everything that people think is spam is one: [-] I'm talking about posting the same things over-and-over, [-] posting many effortless buzzes just to farm HIVE, and [-] Meaningless comments like "Thanks" (and my favorite: "Congrats") without reasoning...
... These types of posts shouldn't be removed or blocked, that's free speech, but they shouldn't be upvoted either because the reward pool is limited and honest posts shouldn't compete with spam! As curator, what do you think? @iamraincrystal
These type of things should be blocked by YOU since you don't want to see them.
You have no authority to determine what other people see on D.Buzz and no one should have that authority minus extreme edge cases
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I really think you misunderstood @ahmadmanga's comment. There is a big difference between allowing (showing) spam and supporting (upvoting) spam. 🤨 @ahmadmangazap never said "block spam". 😑
Ahh, I think I did misunderstand or misread, unless you edited your post @ahmadmangazap.
But like you said @ahmadmangazap, I don't want to go on a censorship rampage since thats the Web 2.0 we are creating an escape for, and when the censorship starts, it often becomes a slippery slope.
We are on the same page then... Some of these are getting curated right now, I think that's the problem. That's why I said D.Buzz should be stricter in their Curation.
There will be filters by users, but will there be filters by tags on DBuzz?
Ah okay, tag me if you notice some of them getting curated by @dbuzz
Content that is solely someone else's, with nothing original added, should not be curated by @dbuzz
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Will do!!
Thanks so much, and sorry again for completely misreading what you said @ahmadmanga.
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For the record, @ahmadmangazap only edited his comment to remove the redundant bullets on his enumerated list. 🕵️♂️🤨
Thanks for clearing it up, I thought he understood my comment and still said that.
That is one of @chrisrice's serious moments. 😆😅
I'm glad we have @savvyplayer then, he just cleared what would have been a major misunderstanding between us @ahmadmanga
P.S. I have been working a bit extra these last few days, and I think the extra workload decreased my reading comprehension lol
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Take time to rest :) You'll come back stronger!
Almooooost, not yet lol
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Thanks for the 1 HBD! Maybe you can get more than that by winning at least 3 days in my week-long Math mini-contest for D.Buzz for this March 2021! 😅
As far as I know though, "spam" is a subjective term @savvyplayer @ahmadmangazap.
Yeah it is, that's why I listed the spam that objectively shouldn't be curated for the sake of DBuzz/HIVE as whole. I didn't say block them, I'm just saying the finite rewards should be given to buzzes that have more effort in them. (Or at least, seem to have more effort.)
Yeah, I agree with that 100%
But @dbuzz should not @iamraincrystal, but this mainly deals with edge cases, that are clearly extreme cases of "plagerism"
HW''s has called silly things plagiarism
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Blockchain is about Freedom, Decentrazation and Free Speech.
That's the use case Web3 Dapps, othewise stick with Web2.
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I believe that the "freedom of speech" you are promoting does not involve some accounts intentionally flooding the D.Buzz latest feed, either for reward farming or preventing other legitimate posts to be seen. 🤨
https://peakd.com/@savvyplayer/re-chrisrice-2021416t03025789z
If some accounts (whether bots or not) intentionally spam D.Buzz "under free speech" (like what happened a week ago) that is strongly disliked by everyone (except probably those that are jealous of D.Buzz), you might just change (even a little) your stance regarding spam. 🤨🤨
@ahmadmangazap
Please don't misunderstand me again here. 😨 I did not say block all spam, but only those that are obvious spam (still fits in the description of spam). 😒
Spam and plagiarism are prevalent. I the last few weeks alone, Hivewatchers have dealt with 20-30 accounts posting plagiarism or copypasta spam in dBuzz.
chrisrice is very aware of this but has been refusing to do due diligence since it started a year ago in March 2020. He has also been refusing to add improvements to the app. This app is basically a copy of dlike/share-2-steem that were scamming and spamming Steemit.
It doesn't make sense. It would actually be the opposite. It would incentivize honest engagement in the platform by creating valuable content with some effort, adding value to the platform not just spamming the blockchain with useless spam.
Hive ecosystem is not Twitter. Hive is something between a blogging platform and Medium with a bit of Reddit (commenting) and the content is rewarded here. Neither Twitter nor Facebook pays you for your content.
I think your comment there is a duplicate of your own comment you replied to (https://peakd.com/@ahmadmanga/re-logic-qqc3ux). 🕵️♂️🤔
We already published these two articles:
Tips on writing for D.Buzz, What to Buzz about...
https://dbuzz.link/d10e
Proper Ways to Cite sources in Micro-Blogging
https://dbuzz.link/4120
And are working as fast as we can . . our emphasis has been on software development
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Having guides (which I know are not rules) for proper posting on D.Buzz would not prevent everyone from making inappropriate (spammy, plagiarized, and most especially farming) and illegal posts, no matter how great they are and how often you share them. 🤨
And our software development efforts cost much and out of OUR pockets than the Hive Proposal that you receive for @hivewatchers.
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You live off a HIVE proposal and sell $HIVE to make ends meat . . so if anyone has real skin in the game, it's @dbuzz, not you.
Our skin in the game is to add value, and onboard new users.
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