Ecency Delegation Experiment – An Experiment to Determine Whether Delegating to Ecency Is the Optimal Option for Actively Posting Newcomers: Week 10
On March 4th, 2023, I announced an experiment of delegation to Ecency to prove that it’s probably the most profitable (in terms of APY) delegations feasible for a newcomer who posts frequently.
Here are the results of this week’s delegation with Ecency, and following this, a legend of the columns used, as well as a bit of analysis of the week:
Legend
Day: well, this one’s pretty self-explanatory. It starts the day after I delegated to Ecency so that there’s at least 24 hours permitted for rewards to kick in. It is a value used directly in the APY calculation.
Hive Delegated to Ecency: this is how much total Hive Power (HP) I have delegated to Ecency on the provided day. It is a value used indirectly in the APY calculation.
Average Hive Delegation to Date: this is the average of my delegated Hive Power (HP) to Ecency, current to the provided day. This gives an accurate value of how much delegation has been given over time, inclusive of all rewards (from Ecency Boosts and from other sources, including posts and comments). Since this value shows contributes directly to the rewards I get from Ecency, it is the most accurate value to use in calculating APY. Hence, it is a value used directly in the APY calculation.
Hive Reward: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP from Ecency delegations on the provided day.
Total Hive Reward: this is how much I have in rewards in HP from Ecency delegations in total, up to the provided day. It is a value used directly in the APY calculation.
Hive Earned From Boosts: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP due to Ecency boosts on the provided day, including the votes that come as a result of following Ecency’s curation trail (this value is approximate). It’s difficult to calculate earnings from promotions, and will not be included in this calculation.
Total Hive Earned From Boosts: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP due to Ecency boosts in total, up to the provided day, including the votes that come as a result of following Ecency’s curation trail (this value is approximate). It is a value used directly in the APY calculation.
Hive Earned From Posts: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP from posting and is inclusive of boosts and promotions, on the provided day. While I do reinvest this into Ecency delegations, it is NOT included in my APY calculation, as it is not an earning directly due to the delegation.
Total Hive Earned from Posts: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP from posting and is inclusive of boosts and promotions, in total, up to the provided day. While I do reinvest this into Ecency delegations, it is NOT included in my APY calculation, as it is not an earning directly due to the delegation.
Other Hive Earned: this is how much I have earned in rewards in HP from other sources (i.e. comments, swing trades, etc.) on the provided day. While I do reinvest this into Ecency delegations, it is NOT included in my APY calculation, as it is not an earning directly due to the delegation. I have also come to realize that this is the most inaccurate and inconsistent column I have – please regard it only as a very, very rough estimate.
Hive Reinvested into Ecency Delegation: this is how much Hive I have reinvested into Ecency delegations on the provided day, and is all-inclusive (since I reinvest earnings from posts, comments, etc.). Its only relevance to the APY calculation is that it brings up my total amount delegated to Ecency. That particular aspect is included in the “Hive Delegated to Ecency” column.
Hive Earned APY To Date: this is the calculated APY based on the “Average Hive Delegation to Date,” “Total Hive reward,” and “Total Hive Earned From Boosts.” This provides a fair calculation of earning which are directly due to Ecency’s rewards (in Hive and boosts), while taking into account the growing delegation and changes in rewards over time. The APY is recorded on a daily basis and will paint a more accurate picture with more time. Some initial values (after the rewards from the initial boosts come in) may be outrageously high due to boosts from preexisting Ecency points (I had >3500, which is equivalent to 23 boosts, or <23 boosts + more promotions); these are accurate values but skewed due to the small time frame. They will become more accurate and reflective of reality over time. There is also a 7 day delay in some earnings, which may further skew the APY. While reinvestments from non-Ecency sources (i.e. posts, comments, trading, etc.) may cause the APY to appear larger, using the “Average Hive Delegation to Date” as a divisor compensates for this effect, thus giving a more accurate APY that’s a result of only Ecency delegation. It is the most fair divisor to use in this calculation because it accounts for changes in delegation over time, is a direct contributor to subsequent delegation rewards, and accounts for reinvested Hive Power only after it has been delegated to Ecency.
Total Ecency Points: this is the total amount of Ecency points that I have available on the provided day. Note that I begin with >3300 points, which is equivalent to 23 boosts, or <23 boosts + more promotions. None of these are used in calculations, but rather as a tally so that conversions can be better understood.
Ecency Points Earned From Delegation: this is the amount of Ecency points that I earned on the provided day. None of these are used in calculations, but rather as a tally so that conversions can be better understood.
Total Ecency Points Earned From Delegation: this is the amount of Ecency points that I earned in total, up to the provided day. None of these are used in calculations, but rather as a tally so that conversions can be better understood.
Daily Ecency Points Earned (All Sources): this is the amount of Ecency points that I earned through other activities (commenting, voting, posting, etc.) on the provided day. None of these are used in calculations, but rather as a tally so that conversions can be better understood.
Ecency Points Spent on Boosts / Promotions: this is the amount of Ecency points that I spent on boosts and promotions on the provided day. None of these are used in calculations, but rather as a tally so that conversions can be better understood. Looking 7 days ahead to the HP earned in boosts will reveal how much the points translate into HP.
HBD Spent to Buy Ecency Points: this is how much HBD I spent to buy Ecency points. At market value, 1000 Ecency Points = 2 HBD.
Graphical Representation
Here are some graphs to help visually represent the progress being made in this experiment. They are adapting data directly from the spreadsheet shown above, using the same legend.
In the first graph, our Y axes consist of: Hive and APY %; these are divided into data sets consisting of Hive Delegated to Ecency (orange), Average Hive Delegation to Date (yellow), and Hive Earned APY to Date (blue, and this is a percentage). The X axis is the Day, so you can follow the daily trend.
In the second graph, our Y axis consists of APY %, represented by Hive Earned APY to Date. The X axis consists of Average Hive Delegation to Date. This one’s a little bit tricky, so I’ll explain it to clear things up: recall that during the first week, I accidentally removed delegation from Ecency. This made the Average Hive Delegation to Date decrease (move to the left on the X axis); subsequently, I increased the delegation, causing it to increase, thus moving to the right on the X axis. Thus, in terms of time, the experiment begins at the bottom, where the Average Delegation to Hive is just about 100% and the APY is ~10%. Following the line to the left, and then subsequently to the right gives the proper timeline.
From this point forward, unless an accidental undelegation occurs, you can continue reading this graph from left to right, as the delegation will be increasing rather than decreasing! Please let me know in the comments whether this is at all unclear and I’ll explain further.
This Week’s Earning Analysis
Last week, I bet on an APY to date of ~90%. So how accurate was my guess? The APY to date as of the end of this week is 91.11%. That certainly exceeded my expectations, despite the fact that I posted more. Yet, I believe this makes sense mathematically, since Hive’s price was dropping, and this means that for the same $1 Boost, more Hive is awarded, and more Hive awarded → higher APY. See? Math doesn’t have to be so difficult! Now, let’s see what happened over the course of this week:
Day 63 (from last week) started with modest earnings, but it was the day after I increased my delegation to Ecency by ~8.5% (from 201 → 218 HP). The impact upon the delegation Ecency Points I was earning was instant – an additional 1.7 points per day adds up! Day 64 is when I noticed this effect come into play.
I also noticed that several of my comments and even the occasional post have not been getting Ecency Points rewards when I posted them. Rather than leaving things to chance yet again, I decided to try deleting and re-posting comments when I noticed that they didn’t receive rewards – and fortunately noticed that they would receive the rewards the second time around. Of note, this would not work for posts because they can’t be deleted once they receive any type of positive vote (i.e. one that yields rewards), so only try this if you don’t have anyone who automatically upvotes your posts.
Day 65 is when I received my rewards for last week’s Ecency Delegation Experiment post. That’s because I had worked an overnight shift and had to delay the post until morning time. I used those rewards (among others from comments, delegations, etc.) to reinvest HP into the Ecency delegation. This brought me towards an even higher delegation, which would result in a lower APY for now, but yield even more rewards. It’ll slowly become easier for me to reach my Ecency Point goals without feeling obligated to comment a lot (and instead continue to do it simply out of genuine interest, which is how real engagement should feel).
Of note, on this same day I delegated a large amount of HP towards BroFi, with the intent of performing a similar project with that delegation as I am to this one. Therefore, all earnings that I obtain from BroFi, henceforth, will not be included in this experiment. I’ll consider those earnings as two separate entities.
Days 67 and 68 I found myself with surprisingly large returns from the 150-point Ecency Boosts, and I believe this is because Hive’s price happened to drop rather quickly at the time I received the rewards. Hence, for the same price, I obtained more HP. That’s a slice of luck right there! I noticed the opposite effect when Hive’s price goes up. This goes in line with the explanation I wrote above.
Day 69 I received a fantastic 400 Ecency Point tip from @lifesadvice. Thank you so much for your generosity!
I should note that for most of this week, I found myself writing, deleting, and reposting comments in order to get the Ecency Points I would typically receive. This happened with a majority of comments (>85% as a rough estimate). Hopefully next week will work smoother.
Now I’ll challenge myself and everyone else reading this to guess the upcoming week’s APY to date. Keep these major factors in mind: 1) I posted 1 time this week and Boosted the post; 2) this will be a transition from week 10 → week 11 (which directly affects the math). Due to my minimal posting, my guess for the next week’s APY to date will be ~88%, and for the following week probably a little bit lower, since I also won’t be able to post as much as I’d like (let’s say ~85%; will give an updated value guess next week!).
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It should be noted that my medicine-themed posts and the Ecency Delegation Experiment posts have @stemsocial as a 5% beneficiary, the Ecency Delegation Experiment Posts will have @leo.voter as a 5% beneficiary (thank you for the freedom of speech!), and all of my posts now have a variable percentage as a beneficiary to @hive-140084 (the FreeCompliments community; these rewards will be used as a reinvestment vehicle and as a reward pool for everyone who posts and comments in the community, except for illegal content, and threads about the community!).
I hope that you’ve found this analysis informative. While it is not financial advice, it may be useful as a methodology of calculating your own returns on various projects on the Hive network.
Here are the prior weeks’ posts for further reference:
Week 1
Week 2
Week 3
Week 4
Week 5
Week 6
Week 7
Week 8
Week 9
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That is a little bit complicated for my head 😂😂😂, but as long as it is profitable, I guess it is worth trying.
Thank you for doing the experiment.
It's difficult to figure out unless you're actually doing the calculations! I'd be willing to clarify anything you'd like, however. Anything can be understood when broken down step by step. 😊
It is certainly worth a try!
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Thanks for including @stemsocial as a beneficiary, which gives you stronger support.
Excellent post again and I hopefully we'll see your next post here soon!
Thank you! Indeed, the next one is coming a little bit over 24 hours. 😊
Sounds like there's going to be some interesting information.
I'll be very frank: nothing particularly interesting this week. Simply proof that active posting gives a strong APY, and not actively posting drops the APY like a hot potato.
"reposting comments in order to get the Ecency Points I would typically receive"
I will do this so to get more ecency point and sell it.
No, no! Don't do this. It looks like (and is) spamming. Only do it if you don't get Ecency points the first time. There are people who watch the blockchain for spam, so it's in your best interest to not do that.
Why'd you stop making posts? I like your classical music posts.
Oh ok, thank you for warning. I will avoid. I stop post because no reward.
I have an idea. I'll use Hive SBI to help you out.
I'll explain it in short: I send Hive over to the Hive SBI account, and based on the amount I send, you'll accrue a pending vote over time. The vote increases over time whether you post or not, and I think it's approximately linear (increases by the same amount over the same period of time). Once you post something 1/3 of your accrued value is turned into a vote on your post. So if you post frequently, you'll get a small vote, and if you post infrequently, you'll get a large vote, but it all adds up to the same amount over time. I hope that makes sense.
I also get the benefits of this, by the way. The amount of Hive I send over to that account will get me the same rewards it gets you. The more of these we send, the faster our votes grow. Hope this will help!
Ok I look at this. I think I understand but maybe a little confusing.
Definitely, and please let me know whether you're interested!
Ok yes, let's do it.
Ok yes, let's do it.
Fantastic! I prepared some liquid Hive just in case. I'll send 100 Hive over to HSBI. You can keep track of your total (and expected vote) here. Check it out tomorrow so it has time to kick in.
This make sense how it work. It go up every day and divide by 3 is vote I get.