The Eschatian Hypothesis: the last cry of a civilization on the verge of extinction[Eng-Spn]
Hey guys from @youhive, it's a pleasure to be here. I think this is my first time around here to share a YouTube channel that's definitely worth checking out.
I love science, especially theoretical science, and I've been following Pol Beltrán on YouTube for years. His channel covers topics in physics, biology, history, and chemistry in a charismatic and easy-to-understand way. His videos are fantastic and have cleared up many of my doubts. I like how he researches and explains concepts simply, which has helped me understand complex topics in a very didactic way.
Recently, I watched a video about the Scatian Hypothesis (based on the work of David Kipping), which made me think. Although the hypothesis he presents isn't a definitive theory, it sparked quite a bit of curiosity in me.
The creator of this hypothesis argues that to the question of where is everyone in the universe?, we are probably somewhere, and only when they are about to disappear will they appear, pleading for help. The argument is that we will detect a civilization just as it is collapsing (its "final cry").
From a practical point of view, I consider our presence in the universe to be a "second" on the cosmic calendar. And I wonder, if that collapse or state of imbalance lasts, for example, 1,000 years, and the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the probability of our technology coinciding exactly with that millennium of another civilization is infinitesimal.
It's as if, in an infinite library, where each book is opened and closed only once in all of eternity, you and I opened the same page at the same second. Time is so long that it separates us more than it unites us.
Another example that caught my attention regarding this hypothesis is that of supernovae or red giants: we see them because they shine brightly, even though they are rare. But from my point of view, a supernova is a physical event of an energetic magnitude that a civilization—however advanced—could hardly match artificially. Comparing the brightness of a dying star to the "noise" of a civilization in crisis is a very poetic analogy, but perhaps physically disproportionate. Can a social or ecological crisis really emit enough energy to be visible thousands of light-years away? It seems unlikely to me.
And another issue that caught my attention, and with which I strongly disagree, is The Paradox of Invisibility (Balance vs. Imbalance).
The hypothesis suggests that advanced civilizations are invisible because they are "sustainable" and blend into nature.
This assumes that technological "perfection" implies not emitting any signals. But wouldn't a civilization in equilibrium need to communicate, travel, or carry out large-scale projects that, even if clean, alter their environment in a detectable way? To say that the only "visible" thing is disaster is a rather pessimistic view of technology.
Scream for help or silence out of fear?
The video suggests that in the end, a species would send out a "final scream" into the void.
If a civilization is dying out due to lack of energy or internal collapse, the most logical thing-from a survival perspective-would be to conserve every last joule of energy to try to save itself, not waste it on an omnidirectional radio message that will take centuries to reach someone who may not even exist.
My personal conclusion, as a lover of this type of content, and although I maintain that this hypothesis is an elegant solution to why we don't see anyone (most are silent and balanced), is that it relies heavily on coincidence.
I consider the timescale to be the biggest enemy of this theory. Our window of observation is so small that hoping to capture the "final second" of another is almost an act of statistical faith.
It's a beautiful story to think about in the classroom regarding our own sustainability, but as strict physics, it leaves many loose ends.
How wonderful it is to doubt, friends, and whenever I can, I instill this in my students: let's ask ourselves why about everything, because true understanding is born from doubt.
If you have a little time, I invite you to watch this great video and share your thoughts with me. Thank you for reading.
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Hola chicos de @youhive es un placer estar aquí. Creo es la primera vez que ando por estos lares para compartir con ustedes un canal de Youtube que vale la pena ver.
Me encanta la ciencia, especialmente la teórica, y desde hace años sigo a Pol Beltrán en YouTube. Su canal aborda temas de física, biología, historia y química de una manera carismática y fácil de entender. Sus videos son espectaculares y me han aclarado muchas dudas. Me gusta cómo investiga y explica los conceptos de forma sencilla, lo que me ha ayudado a entender temas complejos de una manera muy didáctica.
Recientemente, vi un video sobre la Hipótesis Escatiana (basada en el trabajo de David Kipping),que me hizo reflexionar. Aunque la hipótesis que presenta no es una teoría definitiva, me causó bastante inquietud.
El creador de la hipótesis sostiene que a la pregunta de dónde están todos en el universo, nos dice que probablemente, están en algún sitio y solo cuando estén a punto de desaparecer aparecerán pidiendo ayuda, el argumento es que detectaremos a una civilización justo cuando está colapsando (su "grito final").
Desde un punto de vista práctico, considero que nuestra presencia en el universo es un "segundo" en el calendario cósmico. Y yo me pregunto, si ese colapso o estado de desequilibrio dura, por ejemplo, 1,000 años, y el universo tiene 13,800 millones de años, la probabilidad de que nuestra tecnología coincida exactamente con ese milenio de otra civilización es infinitesimal.
Es como si en una biblioteca infinita, donde cada libro se abre y se cierra solo una vez en toda la eternidad, tú y yo abriéramos la misma página en el mismo segundo. El tiempo es tan largo que nos separa más de lo que nos une.
Otro ejemplo que me llamó mucho la atención de esta hipótesis es el de las supernovas o gigantes rojas: las vemos porque brillan mucho, aunque sean raras. Pero desde mi punto de vista una supernova es un evento físico de una magnitud energética que una civilización -por muy avanzada que sea- difícilmente podría igualar de forma artificial. Comparar el brillo de una estrella muriendo con el "ruido" de una civilización en crisis es una analogía muy poética, pero quizás físicamente desproporcionada. ¿Puede una crisis social o ecológica realmente emitir tanta energía como para ser visible a miles de años luz? Es algo que a mí me parece poco probable.
Y otra cuestión que me llamó mucho la atención y de la cual difiero enormemente es la de La Paradoja de la Invisibilidad (Equilibrio vs. Desequilibrio)
La hipótesis sugiere que las civilizaciones avanzadas son invisibles porque son "sostenibles" y se funden con la naturaleza
Esto asume que la "perfección" tecnológica implica no emitir señales. Pero, ¿acaso una civilización en equilibrio no necesitaría comunicarse, viajar o realizar grandes obras que, aunque sean limpias, alteren su entorno de forma detectable? Decir que lo único "visible" es el desastre es una visión un tanto pesimista de la tecnología.
¿Gritar por ayuda o silencio por miedo?
El video plantea que en al final, una especie lanzaría un "último grito" al vacío.
Si una civilización se está extinguiendo por falta de energía o colapso interno, lo más lógico -desde una perspectiva de supervivencia-sería ahorrar hasta el último julio de energía para intentar salvarse, no gastarla en un mensaje de radio omnidireccional que tardará siglos en llegar a alguien que quizás ni existe.
Mi conclusión personal como amante de este tipo de contenido y aunque sostengo que está hipótesis es una solución elegante a: por qué no vemos a nadie (la mayoría están en silencio y equilibrio), se apoya mucho en la coincidencia.
Considero que la escala de tiempo es el mayor enemigo de esta teoría. Nuestra ventana de observación es tan pequeña que esperar captar el "segundo final" de otro es casi un acto de fe estadística.
Es una historia hermosa para pensar en el aula sobre nuestra propia sostenibilidad, pero como física estricta, deja muchos cabos sueltos.
Qué bueno es dudar, amigos y cada vez que puedo se lo inculcó a mis estudiantes preguntemosnos el porqué de todo, ya que de la duda nace la verdadera comprensión.
Si tienen un pequeño tiempo los invito a ver este gran video y contarme sus reflexiones. Gracias por leerme.
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What an interesting topic you’ve brought to the community—a really good video worth watching closely. There are so many hypotheses and theories. I’ve also read a lot on the subject and watched many videos to form my own conclusions. In fact, I believe there are other forms of life on Earth, hidden from view. And I suppose that life beyond this planet remains silent, as if waiting for many things. More advanced beings who don’t even need to speak because they’ve reached a state of higher spiritual maturity, and because they’ve already entered the fifth dimension, where emotions and empathy prevail—that’s why they feel, not speak.
But I believe they are close by, yet silent and hidden, which is why the technology currently available on Earth cannot detect them. We still have a long way to go. The frequency at which they vibrate is much higher, from another plane. What an interesting topic. Thank you for being part of the community!
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How interesting, I believe that there is life beyond, we are not alone, I have a feeling that they are beings who are thousands of times more advanced than us and I simply saw in their life and their world
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Meaning like, beings beyond us?
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This theory gives you something to think about, many things are said, life beyond is worth knowing, thanks for sharing.
My friend, I do believe there is someone else out there, but what they see in us is not good, and that’s why they don’t come near. I’ve read about exoplanets and all of that is truly fascinating. It’s us humans who are already signalling for help, but the problem is that there are so many wicked people at the top of the world who only want to control everything and strip whatever they find of its wealth, for their own benefit.
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Hmmm. So much said here. I think I'll need to check this video.
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Interesante, tengo que revisar este video, un tema muy apasionante, tambien creo que hay alguien o algo alla fuera, incomprensible y que no está a nuestro alcance
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Hay tanta grandeza en el universo que es dificil imaginar que solo nosotros existimos guaoooo
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Very interesting! There are other parts of the galaxy and universe with life, even advanced civilizations. But because of the vast distances between us and them the chances of detecting them are miniscule at best. We might not even recognize the technology they use or even recognize them as lifeforms if we were to see them.
UFO's (or UAP as they are now called) do exist, I have seen them with my own eyes on three occasions. What are they? I don't know... Transdimensional creatures? Ancient civilizations that started here on earth long before us and persist in hiding? We don't have the technology even remotely adequate to detect something so advanced much less understand it.
Great post and interesting YouTube piece that you reviewed! Very cool!
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Hola mi amigo @encuentro, me ha contado historias de que hay vida más allá de lo humano, a veces me suena increíble pero estoy viendo qué podría ser cierto. Espero pase feliz noche
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Buenos días Yolernis, parece ser que los extraterrestres van a ser como muchos amigos, que sólo aparecen cuando necesitan ayuda. La verdad, es que creo que la probabilidad de encontrarnos con otras inteligencias es muy baja... ninguna civilización inteligente se pararía a conocernos.
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Good morning, Yolernis. It seems that extraterrestrials are going to be just like so many friends—they only show up when they need help. The truth is, I think the probability of encountering other intelligent life forms is very low... no intelligent civilization would bother stopping to get to know us.
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